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To: thackney

It’s the Mountaineer XL, I believe. Information is difficult to come by to be honest.

As I understand it, there will be no sales into the pipeline. There are no inputs and no outputs in the state. Just pipeline and pumping stations.

There might be temporary jobs. How many will go to locals? If fracking is any guide, the workers will come from out of state, do the job, and leave. This isn’t like a gas pipeline running to a home or business - it’s a 30” (IIRC) high pressure line. Doubtful any locals have experience with this sort of thing.

I don’t remember how wide they’re going to clearcut, but it’s something in the range of 30-50’ - more if the terrain demands. We have been given very little info - I’ve had to learn what I can from the preliminary reports on the web.

Its a huge gash in the forest that isn’t going to heal for decades - at least not in my lifetime - regardless of how many saplings they plant.

Right now, I have a fence in the middle of the woods.

In the future, I will have to put up a fence against a wide clearcut swath that runs in a straight lines for miles in either direction through the county and the neighboring one. It also isolates part of our property from the rest because it now has to be fenced on both sides of the swath. What would have been impassible for all practical purposes is now an animal highway in both directions. It’s a completely different situation to deal with keeping animals in and out, and the two legged animals are going to be the biggest problem. Just ask DOT how well they keep deer off the interstates if you want to know how effective fencing is, and they have a far larger fencing budget than I do. There are carcasses all over I-77 during the rut.

I don’t know if I’d call it stealing. What do you call it when you’re forced to sell something for far less than you value it?

The pipeline company is setting the price. If we don’t take their offer, they’ll use eminent domain to force us to accept a third party’s assessment, which will be based only on the resale value of the land. But the property has value to us beyond what the buyer or any third party would assign it. Most importantly, we don’t want to sell. We don’t want a tube of high pressure explosive gas under our isolated, rural land. They’re unwilling to go around us. If we don’t like it, and we don’t, our only option is to hire an attorney and try to fight a huge corporation who has the government’s imprimatur.


7 posted on 01/28/2016 11:27:50 AM PST by chrisser (This space for rent.)
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To: chrisser

Sorry. Mountaineer Express.


8 posted on 01/28/2016 11:30:20 AM PST by chrisser (This space for rent.)
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To: chrisser

Maybe Mountaineer XPress Pipeline? Owned by Columbia Pipeline Group?

https://www.cpg.com/current-projects/mxp

The pipeline starts and ends inside West Virginia, and has multiple compressor stations.

Map:
https://www.cpg.com/docs/default-source/default-document-library/mxp-pre-file-map-082615.pdf

Is this the pipeline?


10 posted on 01/28/2016 11:42:30 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: chrisser
there will be no sales into the pipeline

False.

It will create approximately 2.7 billion cubic feet per day of firm transportation capacity from existing and new points of receipt along or near Columbia Transmission's system, providing producers in the Marcellus and Utica shale areas new transportation options to move gas out of the capacity-constrained supply basin and into the interstate market.

You have to understand that gas is first cleaned up at a multiple gas processing facilities before it becomes pipeline quality gas. Contaminants are first removed (C02, water, NGLs, etc). It is very rare for a gas well to produce on spec Nat Gas without any processing before ready to sell to customer.

Just pipeline and pumping stations.

Those have permanent jobs. I've been the lead engineer on several pipelines. They create lots of construction jobs, and permanent jobs. We always have to hire local people from dirt work, construction supplies, build drives, buildings, fences, a multitude of needs.

If fracking is any guide, the workers will come from out of state, do the job, and leave.

Hydro Frac treatments of wells don't create infrastructure that has to be maintained like pipe and compressor stations.

This isn't like a gas pipeline running to a home or business - it's a 30" (IIRC) high pressure line. Doubtful any locals have experience with this sort of thing.

High pressure pipe welding is something that requires certification. But lots of people in WV maintain compressors, pumps, valves, equipment. These are lasting jobs.

Right now, I have a fence in the middle of the woods.

In the future, I will have to put up a fence against a wide clearcut swath that runs in a straight lines for miles in either direction through the county and the neighboring one. It also isolates part of our property from the rest because it now has to be fenced on both sides of the swath.

So you had a fence and will continue to use a fence. Pipeline easements are routinely fenced to prevent traffic by anyone other than the land owner and pipeline needs. I've seen them through ranches and fields without requiring open ends, just locked gates.

if you want to know how effective fencing is

So are you planning a different type of fence than before?

What do you call it when you're forced to sell something for far less than you value it?

No different than roads, power lines and the like. You haven't sold it, you still retain the land, but you have been paid for the limited future use.

I understand it is not want you wanted, but you also expect the conveniences of modern society, and other people went through the same for the roads, power, telecomm and the like you enjoy today.

12 posted on 01/28/2016 12:05:27 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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