Posted on 01/26/2016 7:02:42 AM PST by cornelis
I don’t know who is best. I know that the government is one of the worst.
Fraction is not an accurate description. It is true they don’t pay adequately, but they do pay close to what insurance companies do.
The government has DRGs and those are covered in a sub par manner, but referencing it as “a fraction” is misleading.
They’re not paying dimes on the dollar.
In the old days you could make the case the insurance companies picked up some of the slack, but back into the 90s they also developed a DRG model and refused to pay more than X for any given malady.
Hospitals were viewed as the “oil companies” of health care by the public. In fact they are getting by on very slim margins, and being asked to do more than ever.
Some have been pushing back, but you can’t refuse service if service is what you provide for income.
At some point you just close your doors.
This is a rude reality Trump will probably not run into since he won’t be covering more people like he thought he would.
“:^)
” It is true they don’t pay adequately”
End of story.
It’s also true they take a long time to not pay adequately.
It’s also true they require legions of staff and paperwork to submit so that they get late, and inadequate payments.
The end of story is “not a fraction.”
I should add that between the two, Trump and Cruz, I think that Trump is more of a big government type, as was Bush.
Before Obamacare, people below medicare age with pre-existing conditions who are self employed, or unemployed, or part-time employed (in most cases anyway) are not covered by insurance, because the free-market-only solutions allow insurance companies to refuse to sell them a policy. One heart attack or one instance of needing cancer treatments will pretty much wipe out the finances of those people. Then they can move in with their children once they're one step up from destitute. THEN they can qualify for medicaid.
Even people who think they're covered may find themselves essentially uncovered if they have a need for expensive treatments, because insurance companies have staffs of people to disallow treatment plans, and more staffs to scrutinize insurance applications after the fact for anything they can use as an excuse for dropping coverage retroactively for failure to disclose a pre-existing condition.
With the high deductibles on most every Obamacare plan, it's a little better than no coverage at all, but not much. At the very least though, at least with Obamacare policies you can't be dropped retroactively for failure to disclose a pre-existing condition that you've never been treated for. The more I think about it, the more that single payer makes sense to me for the world we live in now.
“Don’t you find it at least a LITTLE bit creepy that Trump is using the same arguments to sell his healthcare plan that Obama used to sell Obamacare?”
I find it more than just a “LITTLE” bit creepy!
How is that different than Obamacare? Except for Medicaid, all of Obamacare is predicated on PRIVATE PLANS - it just demands that those private plans provide what the government requires.
“Have you ever heard of Medicaid?
If you don’t have funds to pay for your own health care, you will be signed up for Medicaid and the government (we) will pay.
This has been true at least back into the 70s. You didn’t know that did you.”
If that were true then why the need for Obamacare and how come 46 million Americans didn’t have health insurance as we’ve been told ad nauseum?
Because they didn’t have insurance. They had big government.
How are you going to sell socialized medicine unless you claim those folks were uninsured?
Well guess what. They’re still uninsured.
We have roughly the same uninsured numbers today.
Agreed. Cruz is the authentically “pure” Conservative guy.
Problem is I just don’t see that selling right now with much of the electorate. They don’t trust that philosophy as the Chamber of Commerce has repeatedly used it as a smokescreen to stick it to them for 25 years.
Most of the voters actually DO want Big Government to intervene on THEIR behalf.
it just demands that those private plans provide what the government requires.
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Which Trump has said absolutely nothing about.
You are not interested in the truth. You are only interested in finding arguments to back up what you want to believe.
So have at it. I’m not playing your game.
Oh, I am not trying to change YOUR mind - you have drunk the Kool-aid and are a lost cause. I am just trying to point out truth to those who have not yet joined the cult of The Donald...
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