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Lenin watches on over increasingly indifferent Russians
AFP ^ | January 24, 2016 | Nicolas Miletitch

Posted on 01/24/2016 9:50:21 AM PST by Navy Patriot

Moscow (AFP) - To reach the gigantic statue of Vladimir Lenin that overlooks Moscow's October Square, pedestrians can stroll down streets named after the Bolshevik revolutionary's wife or mother, or cross Lenin Avenue that intersects with a road named after his brother.

More than a quarter of a century has passed since the fall of Communism but reminders of the Soviet Union's founding father Lenin -- who died on January 21, 1924 -- are still easy to find.

Yet the man himself seems increasingly to mean little to many people in Russia, the cradle of his revolution.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: agitprop; astroturf; communism; paidrussiantrolls; putinsbuttboys; russia; russianstooge; russianstooges; vladtheimploder
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Young Russians seem disinterested in legacy Communism and Communist icons. Hopefully they will turn to liberty, merit and Christianity.
1 posted on 01/24/2016 9:50:21 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

Then those Ruskies need to remove those reminders of Lenin just like they need to remove the one in Seattle!


2 posted on 01/24/2016 9:53:20 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Navy Patriot

it’s a long road from communism to true democracy and economic and social freedom.

i was naive thinking it would take a decade.

Though it did happen quickly in East Germany.


3 posted on 01/24/2016 9:54:08 AM PST by dp0622
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Vladimir Putin blames Lenin for Soviet collapse

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/21/vladimir-putin-blames-lenin-soviet-collapse/79116132/


4 posted on 01/24/2016 9:54:12 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Navy Patriot

Ha. Vodka, more likely.


5 posted on 01/24/2016 9:56:06 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Navy Patriot

You might like this long documentary about communism. It is in four parts all about an hour long. It has footage of the past and a narriator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft3UVj71dmo


6 posted on 01/24/2016 9:59:41 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: dp0622
It's a long road from communism to true democracy and economic and social freedom.

This is the headline I hope to see someday:

Obama Watches On Over Americans Increasingly Indifferent To Him

It took 200 years for the USA to make the journey from democracy and freedom to Nanny State Communisum, and tyrannical rule by the minorities.

Hopefully we can make the return trip in much less than that.


7 posted on 01/24/2016 10:03:28 AM PST by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: Navy Patriot

They’re just waiting for President Sanders or Hillary, then they can sell them on to the USSA.


8 posted on 01/24/2016 10:05:19 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Then those Ruskies need to remove those reminders of Lenin just like they need to remove the one in Seattle!

Yes, they do, Lenin was a world class POS that had no mitigating characteristics at all, BUT we must let the Russians do it themselves by themselves. They don't have a lot of positive image leadership from 1917 to the early 1990's, to ease the perceptions of Russia.

And don't forget that Lenin was manufactured by Marx and Engels in Germany, France and England before he was shipped off to Russia.

9 posted on 01/24/2016 10:09:13 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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isn’t it sad?

the downfall comes from the young hating the oh so terrible things the USA has done but enjoying the fruits quite nicely, while at the same time having no idea of the sacrifices that were made or the standard of living in most of the world


10 posted on 01/24/2016 10:11:37 AM PST by dp0622
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To: Navy Patriot

Orthodox Christianity has undergone revival since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Few in Russia are interested in Marxist ideals.

The Communist Party has come in second in national elections since the Soviet time but its unlikely to ever become the party of power again.

People in Russia accept the Soviet period is part of their history but it has no practical relevance to many of them alive today - especially to the generation born after the Soviet Union disappeared.

Russia today is a normal and not a revolutionary state and the West has yet to come to terms with it.


11 posted on 01/24/2016 10:12:59 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Vladimir Putin blames Lenin for Soviet collapse

Well he's right, but he might be shortsighted, as it was Lenin's implementation of extreme Socialist policy (Communism) by force, that assured the Soviet collapse. Anyone who did the same would have assured the same collapse.

12 posted on 01/24/2016 10:16:05 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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Note however, he didn’t mention Stalin. Stalin’s rule was a 180 from Lenin and Trotsky, he ditched the Internationalism for “Socialism in One Country” and was much more nationalist and pro-Russian (despite being a Georgian).

I think Putin deep down still greatly admires Stalin.


13 posted on 01/24/2016 10:18:21 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop
Your comments are accurate, however we need to mention and understand that the legacy older citizenry of Russia have their survival, pensions and retirement incomes dependent on Communist programs that the Russian Federation supports as an obligation to Russian citizens.

The Bureaucracy seems like the Communist method and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation seems familiar to them. This will have to be reformed slowly as this segment of the population slowly fades.

14 posted on 01/24/2016 10:25:23 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: dfwgator

Stalin is associated with the industrialization of the Soviet Union, creating its emerging middle and upper classes, the Soviet victory in World War II and the emerging Soviet superpower, symbolized by the atom bomb in 1949.

His atavistic cruelty and terror only remind many Russians of the achievements the country attained even in its shadow. And Stalin ruled far longer than Lenin, which is why his rule did more to shape present-day Russia than the latter.

That said, no one in Russia wants to return to the Soviet past. Its impossible to manage everything from Moscow and the Eurasian Union is not even a limited revival of the Soviet era.


15 posted on 01/24/2016 10:25:50 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Navy Patriot

Then it bares more resemblance to the British Welfare State than anything.


16 posted on 01/24/2016 10:27:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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I think Putin deep down still greatly admires Stalin.

Here's a little piece of trivia: Putin's paternal grandfather, Spiridon Ivanovich Putin, was a cook who worked for Lenin, and then for Stalin.

The grandfather lived until 1965. So it would be interesting to know what lessons grandfather taught to little Vladimir.

17 posted on 01/24/2016 10:30:18 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Much of present-day Russian policy is to honor the older generations and their sacrifices without the heavy ideological emphasis of the Soviet time.

United Russia is the party of power now and represents the ideals of Russian statehood and the revival of Russia as a great power.

For the post-Communist Russian elite, being part of the world is more desirable than trying to overturn it, as the Soviet elite had sought.

As time progresses, the Soviet era will have as much relevance to Russia as the time of the Tsars did to people who lived when the Soviet Union was still in existence.


18 posted on 01/24/2016 10:32:19 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator
Stalin's rule was a 180 from Lenin and Trotsky, he ditched the Internationalism for "Socialism in One Country" and was much more nationalist and pro-Russian (despite being a Georgian).

Stalin Industrialized Russia to increase his own personal military might, and he promoted world Communism by funding, training and subversion of societies all over the world.

Barack Hussein Obama, his mother and grandparents are products of Stalin's propagation of Communism in the west.

He did focus on Russian military might by industrialization, but he was as much a world class POS as Lenin and in no way cared about Russians or any other Slavs on the planet.

Stalin did oppose Hitler, but he was as stupid as Socialists can get, and he cost the Russian people and Russian patriots dearly in everything he did.

The only one thing he did was make the Russian people STRONG enough to survive him.

19 posted on 01/24/2016 10:50:58 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: Navy Patriot
Stalin Industrialized Russia to increase his own personal military might, and he promoted world Communism by funding, training and subversion of societies all over the world.

Stalin played lip service to Communism, but it was just about Soviet power, he regularly purged members of foreign Communist parties. Even pretty much gave Hitler carte blanche to wipe out the German Communist Party.

20 posted on 01/24/2016 11:06:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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