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Hmmmm. Kinda like condemning them all for the acts of a few. Maybe the cops should be disarmed so they're not so scary.
1 posted on 01/24/2016 6:46:26 AM PST by rktman
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It’s not condemning someone to know the law. Smart cops know the law too, and they respect citizens asserting their rights. Talking never helps your cause... ever. It’s just a fact.


2 posted on 01/24/2016 6:52:56 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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Because of attitudes like that, I always go out, of my way, to show appreciation to the police officers, I see.

Maybe its from growing up in the South, and how Southern Hospitality was embedded in my core.


3 posted on 01/24/2016 6:55:23 AM PST by Elderberry
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It’s a lot more than just a few.


4 posted on 01/24/2016 6:55:35 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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One of the comments at the source says, “Cops reflect who we’ve become.” I agree.


5 posted on 01/24/2016 6:58:43 AM PST by Tax-chick (Alive, awake, alert, enthusiastic, and rather seriously hostile toward the universe.)
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I have told my family NOT to call Police under any circumstances. Their agenda no longer comports with my best interests. My son’s gf called them because they had a fight and he would not give her cell phone back until she calmed down. He was charged with Illegal Imprisonment and his right to possess a gun was taken for a domestic “violence” offense. The police and courts support themselves on monies from trials and they need to keep the gravy train rolling.


6 posted on 01/24/2016 6:58:47 AM PST by ez (Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is... - Milton)
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A couple of things, rather general; given the status of cops these days, I don’t blame them for being paranoid and in some cases are overreacting, you would too if you’re life was on the line and you’re stuck doing what ends up being a thankless, dangerous, litigious job. More importantly, as our society devolves more and more into an immoral and unethical cesspool, you’ll have more and more losers in all walks of life, including cops. And as the state steps in more and more to become the controlling agent (as opposed to a moral and ethical people exercising self-control and good judgement), it will get worse as power, at all levels, including the street level, becomes greater and more corrupting. It’s going to be a rough ride, put on your seat belts boys and girls.


7 posted on 01/24/2016 6:58:48 AM PST by john drake (Lucius Accius-Roman,170 BC - "oderint dum metuant" translated "Let them hate so long as they fear")
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To many examples to mention.

In a stop, I don’t answer questions from LEO without first asserting my 4th-A rights and, even then, while pointing to my “lawyer” (who is usually on the bill-board sign right above their heads...).

My standard response is, “Why, no officer. I have nothing to hide...why do you ask?”


12 posted on 01/24/2016 7:03:23 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym defines the science.)
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My biggest problem with Law Enforcement in this country is that the attitude of the cops has gone from one of being a public servant to one of being the public’s master.


14 posted on 01/24/2016 7:06:20 AM PST by ez (Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is... - Milton)
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My kids know the game too. They are to shut up and call me. Kids can be easily coerced and lack of experience could land them in a mess, costing thousands of dollars to defend someone who is innocent. It may not be optimal, but there are a lot of over-zealous police and prosecutors out there. It is unfortunate, but this is what it has come to.


15 posted on 01/24/2016 7:06:28 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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I suspect that this has less to do with the police than adults, like school administrators and teachers, who instead of disciplining children want them arrested and charged with crimes.

Police often seem to think that they *must* be responsive to such adults, so end up being the “bad guys” instead of telling the adults that they have the authority to discipline, so unless it is a serious crime, to not bother the police.

Another problem is the reckless insistence that police treat everyone equally. No, the rich and the poor do not have the same rules of behavior, nor do adults and children, so treating a misbehaving child like they were an adult who did the same thing is downright stupid.

This comes under the head of police good judgment.

Even children do not come under the same behavioral rules as other children. 16 year olds are not like 10 year olds who are not like 5 year olds. There are indeed many 16 year olds who are gentle and well behaved. But there are also some 5 year olds who show all the symptoms of being violent, out of control psychopaths.

Police *must* exercise good judgment, not just rely on the opinions of others.


16 posted on 01/24/2016 7:08:31 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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"Kinda like" nothing of the sort. The author does NOT condemn all cops for the acts of a few. She does NOT call for cops to be disarmed.

Your form of response is called a "straw man" argument. Put words in her mouth that she actually didn't say, and then condemn her for that.

17 posted on 01/24/2016 7:09:20 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.)
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There is no problem that can’t be made 100 times worse by involving the government.


20 posted on 01/24/2016 7:13:18 AM PST by Washi (All lives matter, or none do.)
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I don’t doubt there are abuses, but I guess I have been fortunate not to have experienced them. One of my parents’ ironclad rules when I was growing up was to be respectful and obedient to police, and it has always served me well. I greet them politely, do what they tell me, and we get along fine. (I would note that I have refined my parents’ rule to read: Always be polite to someone better armed than you!) Take it for what it is worth, but I have found that MY attitude and demeanor in approaching anyone, cops included, can make or break the experience. So I treat people respectfully, and it is almost always reciprocated.


21 posted on 01/24/2016 7:19:08 AM PST by Wheelman81
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We have excellent law enforcement here in Utah; never had any problems. Like most, I’m a huge supporter of the brave men and women and the good work they do. This being said, one thing I would never do under any circumstances is to allow police to search my vehicle. If they want to search my vehicle, they’ll have to get a warrant. If they feel they need to search your vehicle, the onus is on them to go through the hoops to make it happen...NOT US!


22 posted on 01/24/2016 7:21:14 AM PST by Artcore
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The reality for most law-abiding folks is that a police cruiser behind you, tailgating while running your license plates, rarely leads to a pleasant interaction.
They will stop you because they say you are driving too fast, or too slow, or weaving in your lane, or not maintaining steady speed...or whatever...all fabricated.

Police need to find a way to win back being "the good guys" in fresh new ways.
They are feared by many and viewed as roadside tax / penalty collectors by most.
C'mon folks in blue, you can do better.


23 posted on 01/24/2016 7:22:31 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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all you have to do is remember a few items (that are guaranteed to you under the constitution)..

never tell the police anything...

always have a witness in the room when you are speaking to them...

always request an attorney...

never believe what they tell you...


28 posted on 01/24/2016 7:27:26 AM PST by joe fonebone (gay people do not bother me.... fags do...)
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When seizing property for monetary gain for the police department becomes a priority over real law enforcement, then I agree. In my area anyway, revenue enhancement seems to have become a higher priority than the typical ‘protect and serve’ ideal.

http://www.daily-times.com/story/news/local/four-corners/2016/01/20/forfeiture-law-creates-issues-police-state/79068402/


32 posted on 01/24/2016 7:30:54 AM PST by redcatcherb412
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Her reasoning is not very good,


34 posted on 01/24/2016 7:45:10 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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Oops, early morning. Her reasoning is not very good, but her destination is sound. The police are not on your side, you should not talk to them unless you have to, and at all times during that conversation you should keep in mind that they think you’re the enemy and you’re one wrong sentence from getting arrested.


35 posted on 01/24/2016 7:46:17 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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The article title is correct.

I tell my kids that the job of a police officer when they stop you is to arrest and convict you. Therefore, you be polite, but you keep your mouth shut. You say, I want to speak to my Dad etc.

IT’s all well and good for people to support our police, but I’ve was stopped a few times in my youth by one of these shorter than me County cops who have the small man complex.

You need to be really leary of this type.


36 posted on 01/24/2016 7:47:54 AM PST by nikos1121 (December 25, 2016 will be the merriest Christmas of all for me.)
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