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To: Kaslin

Conservatives should not support subsidies.


2 posted on 01/23/2016 7:58:54 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone
Conservatives should not support subsidies.

Exactly. I'm not against ethanol, but I'm against it if you have to subsidize it with tax money. And, for that matter, if you decide to subsidize something to get it started, do the subsidies have to continue into eternity?

The answer should be no.

It takes some nerve to tell corn farmers to their faces that you will end the subsidy. But if you are honest you have to do it.

6 posted on 01/23/2016 8:03:10 AM PST by marron
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To: greatvikingone

What subsidy? It ended what, 2 or 3 years ago.


7 posted on 01/23/2016 8:03:14 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: greatvikingone

Only a few people (mostly agribusiness like Archer-Daniels-Midland or Con-Agra) have ever made much money from ethanol production, and that was only because there was a subsidy paid for its production. The farmers are indirectly encouraged because the market price of field corn as grain was artificially propped up, encouraging the planting of WAY more corn for grain than would otherwise be done. This has seriously impacted the costs of feeding harvested corn crop to animals for meat and milk production, and caused some overuse of resources better diverted elsewhere.

The whole corn plant is run through a harvester that chops the whole plant up into pieces no more than about three-eights of an inch long, hauled to a silo, sealed away from outside air, where it pickles in the natural formation of lactic acid, and is fed out later to dairy or beef cattle as roughage feed. The stuff is rather sour, but cattle relish the taste of it (rather like pickles), and it has a high energy content, which transforms into heavier milk production and greater rates of growth for beef animals.

Corn used in this manner, of course, unless the ears are harvested separately, cannot be used for ethanol production. And the corn grain used for ethanol is only partially available, later, as wet brewer’s grains, the part left over from malting and making ethanol from the corn grain. While the product is a good source of concentrated protein and some fiber, the starch portion is missing, and the cost of producing this “sour mash” in and of itself, makes it less competitive with simply using whole-grain crushed corn kernels as part of concentrated cattle, swine and poultry feed mixes. But here again, the production of ethanol competes directly with animal feed, and the costs of operating a feed lot, egg production, or dairy facility are increased commensurately.

The thing is, none of these additional steps are really “for free”, as these extra steps require extra money and resources input to the cost of producing the ethanol from corn grain, and the overall process is pretty much a wash, in terms of the energy produced.


16 posted on 01/23/2016 8:30:05 AM PST by alloysteel (If I considered the consequences of my actions, I would rarely do anything.)
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To: greatvikingone

There are dozens of examples Limbaugh could have used where Trump demonstrated during this campaign that he does not think or approach problems in conservative terms let alone understand them and is unable to bring them up.. But views challanges in a very personal way

From the campaign begining with the first debate. His legiirimate battles with Fox and Kelly. Trump goes on CNN following the debate to complain about his treatment .Alas where he could have cited how the press abused Palin as well as other conservatives. Instead must personnaly attack Kelly and brings up Kellys body functions.

Trumps exchange with Jorge Ramos (Univision). Trump should have demand from him If he believes Mexico has legitimate claim to American states as well as bring up Mexican treatment of illegals. Then ask why should the US permit land ownership when legal American retirees cannot own land in their own name or vote there.then boot his buttocks out of there. Instead what does he do ? Kisses up to him and lets him go .The way the Mexicans are treating Americans reciprocity should be the issue and would dump the quote hispanic unquote krap

Then there is the issue where some UK politicians along with Islamists wanted to prevent him from even visiting Britan . Here he would have been saluted if he did this. Used the Brits expression to those phoneys; To Piss off and WISE UP pointing out the problems they are having rhere and chiding them for refusing to face reality. Instead what did he do ? Threatens economic retailiation.

. . What really sealed it for me was when Businessman deal maker Trump who also owns Goldman Sachs stock
http://www.freerepublic.com/focua/f-news/3386879/posts
Sided with the GOPES and even advocates expanded use Ethanol because he thinks it will help him carry IOWA . Which also begs the question of Just how heavily invested is he in Ethanol ?


41 posted on 01/23/2016 11:21:55 AM PST by mosesdapoet (My best insights get lost in FR's because of meaningless venting no one reads.)
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