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What makes Ted Cruz truly dangerous - OMG - He has "empathy!"
Washington Post ^ | January 20, 2016 | Ruth Marcus

Posted on 01/20/2016 2:21:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

LOL *BUMP*


101 posted on 01/20/2016 6:37:39 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Would you like to define hijack in this sense?
Would you then like to speak to your reason for Post 7?
What should I have done when you are misquoting/misinterpreting the statutes on the thread? I learn a lot by reading people’s comments and I try and provide info and references to pay it forward.


102 posted on 01/20/2016 6:39:31 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: RC one
Ted Cruz is a Natural Born Canadian Citizen by the laws of Canada in effect on the day of his birth.

I don't know if that's true or not because I'm not familiar with Canadian law. He was, however, a "national and citizen of the United States at birth," which, until I see a convincing argument otherwise, is the same as a NBC.

He is not naturalized, which in US law is defined as "the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth."

Details posted here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3384445/posts?page=34#34

103 posted on 01/20/2016 6:47:04 AM PST by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If as you claim the 1790 Act gives Cruz ‘eligibility’, then why did not Cruz use that Act when specifically asked about his eligibility? No act by a court or Congress can bestow upon on any one, the Constitutional requirement to hold the office of president... The Constitution does not say those 1790 Act is a requirement... Are eligible to hold the office of president.

The Constitutional requirement was not changed...it says one must be ‘natural born’. Cruz is not ‘natural born, and he knows it!


104 posted on 01/20/2016 6:49:51 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts; Cincinatus' Wife

If as you claim the 1790 Act gives Cruz eligibility, then why did not Cruz use that Act when specifically asked about his eligibility?


Good question. And the answer is: ?


105 posted on 01/20/2016 6:51:24 AM PST by samtheman (Elect Trump, Build Wall. End Censorship.)
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To: Gil4

Please see post 95, Cruz or his mother needed to apply for citizenship which would be granted if he fit the definitions in the statute. He is a citizen by statute not by birth.


106 posted on 01/20/2016 6:54:37 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: Gil4
Post #1; chapter 5: Natural Born Citizens
107 posted on 01/20/2016 7:01:00 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: samtheman

I have yet to hear Cruz say I am ‘natural born’. And when he was asked about his eligibility he went on a long winded tangent about who else might have eligibility questions... But when he questioned trump’s mother might cause trump issues, I knew he knows he is not ‘natural born’. He expects to be exempted from the Constitutional requirements... Truth is the first causality of his campaign...Constitution be damned.


108 posted on 01/20/2016 7:06:23 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

I have yet to hear Cruz say I am natural born. And when he was asked about his eligibility he went on a long winded tangent about who else might have eligibility questions... But when he questioned trumps mother might cause trump issues, I knew he knows he is not natural born. He expects to be exempted from the Constitutional requirements... Truth is the first causality of his campaign...Constitution be damned.


You are so right about the Trump mother gambit. Once he played that he was openly saying: YES, I KNOW I HAVE A PROBLEM.


109 posted on 01/20/2016 7:08:53 AM PST by samtheman (Elect Trump, Build Wall. End Censorship.)
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To: JayGalt
Ted Cruz, born of an American mother was entitled to apply for citizenship at birth.

You are confusing the recognition of citizenship from the paperwork with the citizenship itself. If Baby Ted Cruz was kidnapped from the Canadian hospital before any paperwork was filed, the international incident would be that of an American citizen being held hostage. If Mrs. Cruz was adrifty at sea, and there was no consulate around, and no doctor or bureaucrat to admit that Baby Ted was, in fact, born, and some Algerian pirates came on board and took Baby Ted, again, he'd be considered an American citizen, not a baby with no country, or an Algerian.

We need the paperwork in a country of 300,000,000 people, but the paperwork only acknowledges the reality.
110 posted on 01/20/2016 7:48:48 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I don’t see it that way. Cruz needed to satisfy the statute first. A Canadian child born in Canada would have evoked sympathies from American’s that would not make him American. He could have been refused citizenship if his mother didn’t have residence requirements, if she renounced her citizenship, if she weren’t able to produce the required papers the citizenship would not have been awarded.

That inescapable fact that shows he was not a natural born citizen but was a citizen by statute under the designation of the Consulate or United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.

I don’t like being put in the position of harping on the issue. The Constitution and the requisite Amendments and legal decisions are likewise open to all to read. By providing the links I seek to give others the avenue to read and satisfy themselves.

Ted Cruz was entitled to become an American citizen when he was born if he fulfilled the statutes to the satisfaction of the State Dept/Consulate. That is not the same as automatic birthright citizenship and no amount of wishing will make it so. In my opinion its a shame but there are many ways he can exert his efforts on behalf of America without trying to evade the constitutional requirements for the office of the Presidency.


111 posted on 01/20/2016 8:29:01 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: JayGalt

I understand your position, but disagree with it, which is why I used the hypotheticals I did.

You are not harping. You are making an understandable case on a potentially complicated matter. It gets more complicated when Common Law and Natural Law are brought in, as even Natural Law requires a judicial framework (e.g. laws defining the boundaries and jurisdiction of a nation). Also, while the terms “citizen” and “subject” are analogous, they are certainly NOT identical.

I understand being Natural Born the same way the traditional Catholic Church sees annulments. It is a declaration that a valid marriage did not take place. However, even though it didn’t, yo still have to get a formal declaration to get that fact recognized.


112 posted on 01/20/2016 10:27:39 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Thank you for your clarification and understanding.


113 posted on 01/20/2016 11:00:35 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
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Be sure to read the rules and follow them so your candidate will benefit from you vote.

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114 posted on 01/20/2016 1:25:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Free Republic Caucus: vote daily / watch for the thread / Starts 01/20 midnight to midnight EDST)
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