Posted on 01/17/2016 8:47:12 AM PST by NYAmerican
“Oh really?! You find fault in Ms. Geller in all this. Very interesting. I suppose you would prefer Ms. Geller keeps her mouth shut, and follows the “lead†of the MSM? A fascinating comment. Why don’t you take this opportunity to educate us further as to your enlightened state.”
I do NOT believe our servicemen cried. It is an Iranian state media propaganda story.
Captured yes, cried NO. I oppose helping Iran, by spreading their propaganda.
“Do you really believe that this timing is an incredible coincidence?”
Occam’s Razor, especially when you know the government is not as logical, organized or clever as conspiracy people believe.
I’ve worked in and around the fed government and military for nearly 40-yrs, they are simply people and at most times, simple people incapable of efficiently running the government, let alone set up an artfully executed sequence of events between an openly hostile government that enjoys attacking and humiliating the US and the US itself.
The US can’t even set up a web-page. They can’t run a Post Office.
The amount of collusion between Iran and the US to orchestrate a take-down and recover is astounding and not feasible.
I still hold to my theory.
Actually, I, like you, also do not believe that they did. That was not my point of posting, nor of Ms. Geller. I believe her motive was to show the world that the events of the last week have been entirely engineered by the obama administration, that the iranians are neither humane nor contrite. She is trying to show everyone that the real enemy is in our white house. She is most certainly NOT trying to publicize iranian propoganda!
“The amount of collusion between Iran and the US to orchestrate a take-down and recover is astounding and not feasible.”
Your experience in the Federal Government is likely in some rectal canal of a federal agency/bureaucracy. Meanwhile, with Velerie Jarret whispering in obamas ear all day long, an event such as this would be far too complex to execute. OK, no problem.....very convincing. The events of this week are purely coincidental.
“Actually, I, like you, also do not believe that they did. That was not my point of posting, nor of Ms. Geller. I believe her motive was to show the world that the events of the last week have been entirely engineered by the obama administration, that the iranians are neither humane nor contrite. She is trying to show everyone that the real enemy is in our white house. She is most certainly NOT trying to publicize iranian propoganda!”
We can go around, and around. The story that our servicemen cried initially came from Iranian propaganda.
You see benefit to have that falsehood spread without explanation or clarification, but I do NOT.
We agree to disagree. Which is why we are both here on Free Republic, one of the few forums for FREE discussion remaining!
“Your experience in the Federal Government is likely in some rectal canal of a federal agency/bureaucracy.”
That makes no sense. Please explain.
Did Iran keep the two boats or did they allow the crew to drive them home?
I think your explanation is not far of the mark.
Still, I have some doubts:
Lessee, BOTH engines of Boat1 breaks down and what is the FIRST thing he does? He radios his problems to Boat2 and apprises higher-ups: “Hey I’ve broken down and require a tow..”
Assuming Boat2 is not broken down as you say (which I view as likely) Boat2 assesses his fuel situation and takes Boat1 under tow.
The Persian Gulf is generally about 60 miles wide and there is a border going down the middle so mostly we’re talking about a potential transit zone of 30 miles —ONE OR TWO HOURS of run time for most vessels running flat-out in the non-Iranian area to come to the rescue of the US boat pair, or thereabouts.
Not super far away, cuz this is not open ocean.
So command gets word of their break-down IMMEDIATELY, but somehow enough time goes by with no help arriving for them so that Boat2 does run out of fuel —not likely, but absolutely possible.
Presumably beleaguered Boat1 would transfer his useless fuel to Boat2 which was still underway, so we’re not talking about a tiny bit of fuel for tow Boat2, there. That’s probably an engine run time of a couple hours.
But even so, the boat pair run out of fuel, okay. Their gas is gone. And THEN also an adequate amount of time goes by also so that the boat pair drift all the way to the territorial waters of dreaded Farsi Island, which is Iranian.
A 4 knot tide is about 4.6 mph and assuming no wind a THREE hour drift from their out-of-gas point puts them a little less than 15 miles away from Farsi Island’s territorial waters, assuming the USN story is a true one.
So now we’re up to, what..? Five or so hours of NO AID for the pair of US Navy boats in a sensitive body of water garnering TONS of attention from volatile, well-armed powers in the middle of a historic diplomatic dust-up.
Eh...wow.
Presumably as they drifted, wouldn’t those guys be more and more vocal about getting help from our nearby guys..?
Assumming they weren’t yet captured and were asking for help, wouldn’t our desperate to help guys simply FLY a fuel bladder out to them..?
As with Benghazi, it just seems that with SO MUCH TIME PASSING that nearby rescuers WOULD ARRIVE before our boats drifted into Iranian territorial waters.
The more I ponder the official story, the more implausible it sounds.
And then the USN claim, “Yeah, well we were going to refuel ON Farsi Island...”
It sounds vaguely like saying you were going to refuel at a NORTH KOREAN harbor.
The claim is ridiculous.
Not true, NDA's last forever, and violations can carry stiff penalties, both fines and new lodging in Kansas. I have things in my head I can no longer tell myself, let alone anyone else. But protecting them is at least legit.
“Not true, NDA’s last forever, and violations can carry stiff penalties,”
The poster to whom you are responding said just that.
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Pure propaganda BS. I thought Bagdad Bob died?
Yes.
However, these are small boats and they would not be in the middle of the gulf because: a) they are littoral boats and stay close to shore because they operate there, b) traveling from Kuwait to Bahrain keeps them well south of the center of the gulf, and c) small boats avoid the middle of the gulf because the middle is a huge shipping lane with huge ships coming and going.
When I was on a Navy ship in the gulf back in the day (JTFME), we has USN ships everywhere. . . not so much today. That is why I think the Navy simply couldn’t get there in time and I think the Iranians seized them in international waters as they did not drift north into Iranian waters. Why? Because the tide moves in and out of the gulf (southeast and northwest). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZl8fVHWanQ
But who knows. . .
“NDA’s last forever”
Unless the NDA is covering up illegal activity. If that is the case, then the NDA is moot, as well as testifying in a legal proceeding, as long as the Court rules that way.
Nice tidal video..!
Almost made me sea-sick. . .
;-)
Didn’t Clown Prince nobama shed tears of happiness during a presser because he was so happy that this farcical situation successfully occurred?
They should turn that Iranian island into a coral reef
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