[jpsb]

The founders obviously rejected the English means of government as embraced the thoughts of enlightened thinkers like John Locke and Emer de Vattel. The fact that the constitution even and that we do not live under a monarchy indicates to me that I am correct. Ergo I do not believe the founders adopted the English definition of NBS but rather adopted Vattels'

there is a good discussion here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3381836/posts?q=1&;page=101

Well off to do a little work, bye for now.

[Mr Rogers]

“Ergo I do not believe the founders adopted the English definition of NBS but rather adopted Vattels’ “

Except Vattel never wrote about NBC. He didn’t in French, and the English translations prior to 1797 used “natives, or indigenes”...and the Constitution doesn’t say the President must be a native citizen, or an indigenous citizen.

Besides - they used NBC and NBS interchangeably before and after the US Constitution was written, which is hard to explain if they didn’t believe they were interchangeable ideas.