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To: Smokin' Joe

Yes, I remember that time.

And Carol Howe’s involvement. She claimed to be BATF informant there. Lots of weirdness associated with that.


11 posted on 01/07/2016 3:16:20 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil; gaijin; Smokin' Joe; Cincinatus' Wife
Elohim City was founded and headed by Robert Millar who was a Canadian and ex Mennonite. A Christian ID group. When he died in 2002 his son John became the leader.

Robert Millar's first notoriety was from the armed stand-off between the FBI and another Christian ID group called the The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord(CSA), which was located in northern AR in 1985. Millar would negotiate the surrender of the group.

It was Millar's role in the CSA stand-off that became the basis of the story that he was an FBI informant working with the Feds on the OK City bombing.

CSA Wikipedia page

Historically, these anti govt groups including Posse Comitatus, anti Tax, Christian ID, racial supremist/separatist, land use, etc run in parallel thru time, often with cross membership. When Cliven Bundy arose in 2014 the GOP jumped on the bandwagon because they thought he was pure, until he started talking about the Negro in America so they dropped him like a hot potato.

You need to understand that there is a militant wing and a political wing that are co-ordinating events pertaining to the federal lands. The political wing includes the American Lands Rights Association(ALRA), the Montana Policy Institute, and numerous others working with ALEC, who has written the model legislation that each of the western states is using in their quest to take control of these lands.

Utah is out in front and the other states are waiting to see what happens with their legislation.

Cliven Bundy was in a stalemate with BLM, who was just waiting for Bundy to die before they moved but Bundy threw BLM a curve when he moved his stock onto the Lake Mead recreation area to graze, which forced BLM to take action in 2014.

Bundy's action was coordinated with the political wing to take place in 2014 because the Utah legislation would take effect on Jan 1, 2015.

Jan 1, 2015 came and went and the Feds didn't turn over the land so everything ground to a halt until the GOP controlled lege in Utah or ALEC can come up with their next move.

Bundy's son's action in Oregon is merely to start the conversation

24 posted on 01/07/2016 6:10:36 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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