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To: Nachum

Sometimes I wish the situations like this were clearer cut. But I’ll have to say that I never heard of folks being sent back to jail for the reason that their sentences were not long enough. WTF is that all about? And what’s up with the arson charge? Did they just burn off some underbrush really. Or did they cause a big forest fire that burned houses and killed people?


5 posted on 01/03/2016 2:06:03 AM PST by BRK
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To: BRK

Those are all good questions. I am going to read up on the situation as it seems it may be quite an important one in several ways that may affect our future.


6 posted on 01/03/2016 2:18:47 AM PST by dp0622 (i)
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To: BRK; All
From the article:

"Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.

The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time — the father three months, the son one year.

But a judge ruled their terms were too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each.

Ammon Bundy, an Idaho militia leader, said that while the occupiers were not looking to hurt anyone, they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, the Oregonian reported.

Bundy's brother Ryan Bundy, who is also an occupier, told the Oregonian that they're 'willing to kill and be killed' if necessary, adding that the federal officials' actions have been 'in violation of the constitution'.

'The best possible outcome is that the ranchers that have been kicked out of the area, then they will come back and reclaim their land, and the wildlife refuge will be shut down forever and the federal government will relinquish such control,' Ryan Bundy told the Oregonian.

He added: 'What we're doing is not rebellious. What we're doing is in accordance with the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land.'

The brothers said, however, that their real goal is to simply start a movement. It is unknown what types of weapons are now at the refuge building, but there are no hostages in the area.

'The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds,' told the Oregonian.

Ammon Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page asking for people to come help him. Below the video is this statement: "(asterisk)(asterisk)ALL PATRIOTS ITS TIME TO STAND UP NOT STAND DOWN!!! WE NEED YOUR HELP!!! COME PREPARED."

Ammon Bundy said the group planned to stay at the refuge indefinitely.

'The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds,' the Oregonian quoted Ammon Bundy as saying."

10 posted on 01/03/2016 2:58:07 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore)
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To: BRK; All
From the article:

"Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.

The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time — the father three months, the son one year.

But a judge ruled their terms were too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each.

Ammon Bundy, an Idaho militia leader, said that while the occupiers were not looking to hurt anyone, they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, the Oregonian reported.

Bundy's brother Ryan Bundy, who is also an occupier, told the Oregonian that they're 'willing to kill and be killed' if necessary, adding that the federal officials' actions have been 'in violation of the constitution'.

'The best possible outcome is that the ranchers that have been kicked out of the area, then they will come back and reclaim their land, and the wildlife refuge will be shut down forever and the federal government will relinquish such control,' Ryan Bundy told the Oregonian.

He added: 'What we're doing is not rebellious. What we're doing is in accordance with the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land.'

The brothers said, however, that their real goal is to simply start a movement. It is unknown what types of weapons are now at the refuge building, but there are no hostages in the area.

'The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds,' told the Oregonian.

Ammon Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page asking for people to come help him. Below the video is this statement: "(asterisk)(asterisk)ALL PATRIOTS ITS TIME TO STAND UP NOT STAND DOWN!!! WE NEED YOUR HELP!!! COME PREPARED."

Ammon Bundy said the group planned to stay at the refuge indefinitely.

'The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds,' the Oregonian quoted Ammon Bundy as saying."

11 posted on 01/03/2016 3:00:18 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore)
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To: BRK

You need to get sharyl Atkinson involved in this if you want to get any mileage on this. The drive-bys will spin this way out of control and our side will lose again.


54 posted on 01/03/2016 6:17:54 AM PST by rodguy911 (Sarah Palin our secret weapon --Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: BRK

No real criminal has had it done. If that were the case my son’s killer would still be in prison, not walking the streets of Tennessee a free man after 12.5 years and 6 parole hearings. I made the POS serve every day until he maxed out his good behavior time.

I’m his #1 target, I CCW.And I can hit what I aim at.


67 posted on 01/03/2016 6:38:14 AM PST by GailA (any politician that won't keep his word to Veterans/Military won't keep them to You!)
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To: BRK

I never heard of a lot of things happening by the Government before the muslim occupied the White House. all of them bad or shady.


97 posted on 01/03/2016 8:34:08 AM PST by sport
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To: BRK
"But I'll have to say that I never heard of folks being sent back to jail for the reason that their sentences were not long enough."

You and me both. I've always been of the belief that when you're handed a sentence, and you complete that sentence fully, that you're free and clear. According to the article, the two men have said they will report to prison on January 4th, although I hope they've got an appeal going. They're getting screwed royally. On the other hand, a computer glitch in Washington State released thousands of prisoners early. If I'm correct, at least two of those released early have already committed murder. How convenient that they can blame software for that fiasco.

There's some facts missing here, like when did the Feds actually file an appeal of the original sentence? The father served a year for Christ's sake, and the son 3 months. You mean to tell me that they couldn't get an appeal heard in that time, especially on the father's sentence. Somebody in the government screwed this up royally, and I hope the Feds pay for it dearly.

124 posted on 01/03/2016 9:44:38 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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