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To: Red Steel

The internment was wrong. Very wrong.
There’s a difference between theft of possessions and wrongful imprisonment, vs “no, you can’t come in”.


2 posted on 12/15/2015 9:53:03 AM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: ctdonath2

I disagree, internment was right.

To say it was wrong is to assume that none of them might have helped the enemy in some way had they not been. But we will never know that.

It’s only looks wrong in retrospect now because nothing did happen.


14 posted on 12/15/2015 10:01:12 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: ctdonath2

It was FDR and the democrats that did that!


15 posted on 12/15/2015 10:02:19 AM PST by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat.)
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To: ctdonath2
The internment was wrong. Very wrong.

Good or bad are immaterial. It was necessary.

16 posted on 12/15/2015 10:02:40 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: ctdonath2

Everything is OK in war and love.


22 posted on 12/15/2015 10:06:19 AM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016!)
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To: ctdonath2

Have you ever heard of the Black Dragon fraternity? It was a social group of Japanese ex-pats associated with the Japanese military.

What happened in the Philippines when the Japanese military invaded those islands greatly influenced what happened later in the USA. Members of Black Dragon, mainly shopkeepers and small businessmen, closed up their shops, changed into Japanese Army uniforms and took out their hidden rifles. Then they went about murdering their neighbors, conducting sabotage of infrastructure, and attacking the rear and flanks of the Philippine defenders. They facilitated the Japanese takeover of the Philippine Islands.

The US government, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, was left with a difficult decision. The seething resentment and anger of the general population within the 48 continental states was palpable. There existed Black Dragon fraternities within ethnic Japanese communities, but the government was more concerned with the reactions by the general population to any efforts made by Black Dragon members. The last thing the government wanted was a rampaging campaign of elimination against Asians.

Internment and theft of possessions was the least of it.


39 posted on 12/15/2015 10:29:15 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF TWO USA CITIZENS)
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To: ctdonath2

They weren’t imprisoned. They were told they couldn’t live in certain areas, and camps were for those who had no place else to go. They could leave the camps if they wanted, but they couldn’t go back to the prohibited zones (there’s a USSC case affirming that). Michelle Malkin wrote an interesting book on the issue of domestic Japanese and WWII. BTW, I have relatives who were in the camps.


44 posted on 12/15/2015 10:35:51 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: ctdonath2

In Asia the local immigrant Japanese were massively infiltrated by Japanese intelligence agents. This was so extreme that it was a universal experience among, for instance, prominent Philippine and American business and political leaders. Many had very efficient Japanese employees, drivers, and servants, nearly all of which turned out to be Japanese military or security officers.
I recall a bit out of a memoir by Enrique Zobel, one of the great tycoons of the country, whose family had a mansion on Manilas Bayfront. He recalls being touched that the Japanese servants would gather to stare out to sea, at the ships in the bay, thinking that they were pining for their homeland. It turns out they were monitoring shipping traffic and cargoes.


46 posted on 12/15/2015 10:38:31 AM PST by buwaya
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To: ctdonath2
Our greatest modern President, Ronald Reagan, stated this was an unforgivable immoral act if America that stains the country's history. And he authorized and signed reparations to try to right a wrong.

I stand with Ronald Reagan on this. I don't stand with Donald Trump. And some (not all)--let's be honest and call a spade a spade here--of his racist supporters who give that 1942 big brother action by DEMOCRAPS FDR and Earl Warren a pass simply because they themselves probably just don't like Japanese or any Asians for that matter.

51 posted on 12/15/2015 10:45:42 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Glad I did not vote for a narcissist arrogant psychopath in 2008 and 2012. Not doing so in 2016.)
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To: ctdonath2

My grandfather was born in Italy.

During WWII, the government was going to establish internment camps fot Italians like they did for Japanese. Hard to suffer.However, my grandfather was an American to his core and was gladly ready to go. How can the good be separated from the bad?

After 9/11, a Mexican relative, dual citizen consistently was stopped and searched on every flight because he looks Middle Eastern. He said he was happy to suffer it for his country. How can the good be separated from the bad?

Americans need to stand tough. We have no way to separate out the good from the bad and America is under attack. Let us all be willing to suffer for our country.


53 posted on 12/15/2015 10:53:20 AM PST by amihow (l)
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To: ctdonath2

“The internment was wrong. Very wrong.
There’s a difference between theft of possessions and wrongful imprisonment”

You are aware that there were spies—real spies—among the Japanese/AJA population, right?

When somebody dies in a war, they’re really dead. No overs, no mulligans. As much as I despise FDR, it had to be done.


73 posted on 12/15/2015 12:59:09 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: ctdonath2

The internment was wrong, but necessary at the time. Pearl Harbor? Seriously? But this is not even apples to oranges. This is apples to a shoe.


94 posted on 12/15/2015 1:40:39 PM PST by nikos1121 ("Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."-- Golda Meir)
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To: ctdonath2

You might want to read up a bit:

http://www.historynet.com/the-spy-who-doomed-pearl-harbor.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident


110 posted on 12/15/2015 2:02:31 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: ctdonath2
There are really some good arguments about why it may have been better for the safety of Japanese-Americans to relocate them from the West Coast. I am not defending it, but it is hard to create the atmosphere that existed at the time of Pearl Harbor and the impact tht Japanese atrocities committed in the Philippines had on the general populace. Racial tensions were high and there was the risk of violence at a time when we were fighting for our very survival. It should be noted that we did not do the same thing in Hawaii.

Shocked by the December 7, 1941, Empire of Japan attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii that propelled the United States into World War II, one U.S. government response to the war (1941-1945) began in early 1942 with the incarceration of thousands of Japanese Americans on the West Coast and the territory of Hawaii. Approximately 120,000 Issei (first generation, Japanese immigrants) and Nisei (second generation, U.S. citizens) from the U.S. West Coast were incarcerated in War Relocation Authority (WRA) camps across the country--based on Executive Order 9066 (Feb. 19, 1942). Through separate confinement programs to the WRA, thousands of Japanese, German, and Italian citizens in the U.S. (and in many cases, their U.S. citizen relatives), classified as Enemy Aliens, were detained by the Department of Justice (DOJ) through its Alien Enemy Control Unit and, in Latin America, by the Department of State’s Special War Problems Division. Additionally, the U.S. Army held enemy aliens across the U.S. wherever the number of apprehensions was too few for the Immigration and Naturalization Service to operate a detention facility.

At the time of WWII, the United States had a large population of ethnic Germans. In 1940 more than 1.2 million persons had been born in Germany, 5 million had two native-German parents, and 6 million had one native-German parent. Many more had distant German ancestry. During WWII, the United States detained a total of 11,507 ethnic Germans, overwhelmingly German nationals. Similarly, a small proportion of Italian nationals and Italian Americans were interned in relation to their total population in the US.

During WWI President Woodrow Wilson issued two sets of regulations on April 6, 1917, and November 16, 1917, imposing restrictions on German-born male residents of the United States over the age of 14. The rules were written to include natives of Germany who had become citizens of countries other than the U.S.; all were classified as aliens. Some 250,000 people in that category were required to register at their local post office, to carry their registration card at all times, and to report any change of address or employment. The same regulations and registration requirements were imposed on females on April 18, 1918. Some 6,300 such aliens were arrested. Thousands were interrogated and investigated. A total of 2,048 were incarcerated for the remainder of the war in two camps, Fort Douglas, Utah, for those west of the Mississippi, and Fort Oglethorpe, Georgia, for those east of the Mississippi.

119 posted on 12/15/2015 2:36:56 PM PST by kabar
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To: ctdonath2

“The internment was wrong. Very wrong.”

Good thing Trump doesn’t have a funny looking mustache.

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162 posted on 12/16/2015 3:11:39 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (The DNC 2012 Convention actually booed God three times)
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To: ctdonath2
The internment was wrong.

It was generally effective in preventing sabotage. Do you oppose the internment of the Nazis and Fascists, or just the Japs? And how do you feel about the Japanese internment of the Americans and British?

188 posted on 12/16/2015 8:48:53 AM PST by PAR35
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To: ctdonath2

Everything is fair in love and war. War is not a game. It is a brutal affair. Wars must be fought to win. If that requires internment of a group, so be it.


216 posted on 12/16/2015 2:37:05 PM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016!)
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To: ctdonath2

Just heard Bush saying he was having a ball and his campaign is just starting to take shape. I suppose flat is a shape of some sort.


229 posted on 12/16/2015 7:25:38 PM PST by kempster
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To: ctdonath2

Japanese Internment Was Good;

Many people don’t know that there were 2 internment choices for the Japanese here in America.

first they were given the choice to sign an Oath of loyalty,which if they did they got some reduced type of controlls.

those who REFUSED!!!! got internment.

Makes perfect sense to me!

I used to pledge allegiance every day of the week..and was glad and proud to do so.

Michelle Malkin documented the Japanese in Hawaii helping hide a Japanese pilot and hide his pistol and papers..

Japanese Internment was Merciful, compared to what they did to our POWs

Our POWs were beaten, tortured, and starved...

THAT! is very wrong.

you stupid MUT.


230 posted on 12/17/2015 2:45:50 PM PST by LtKerst
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