Posted on 12/13/2015 4:52:24 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Puny, it totally contradicts your claims. Ted Cruz did NOT support legalization, but Donald Trump DID — as recently as a few months ago.
You should try quoting the part that allegedly does, and then comparing it to what I've written, instead of spamming me with the same post in multiple threads. By the way, one of you idiots spammed me with that same exact quote weeks ago and made a fool of himself then too, because he also was too stupid to notice that Cruz only opposes legalization without border security first, but not legalization afterwards, which he affirms many times.
Ted Cruz did NOT support legalization
"I want immigration reform to pass... common sense immigration reform... that allows those who are here illegaly to come out of the shadows."
Mind you, he wanted this AFTER the border is secured, and without the pathway to citizenship (they would have gotten citizenship later anyway). But it is what it is.
Cruz did NOT support legalization, as the link I posted shows conclusively. Trump DID, as recently as earlier this year.
Cruz opposes legalization. Period. You know that. Stop spamming the site with smears.
Nope, sure doesn't, that's why you can't quote any part of it or actually make a substantial argument against anything I've ever written.
But don't feel bad, 99.9 percent of everybody else does exactly the same thing.
I already quoted it on other threads, as you have noted. Like a liberal, you just start another thread with teh same bogus claim when you’re losing an argument.
And yes, I am making a substantial argument. It’s just that you’re so blinded in your support for Trump that you are literally incapable of even considering it.
“Nope, sure doesn’t, that’s why you can’t quote any part of it or actually make a substantial argument against anything I’ve ever written.â€
Here is Senator Cruz’s position as of June 2013:
“This Gang of Eight bill is a disaster. It is the exact same thing we saw in 1986. The last big immigration reform was in 1986, and the federal government told the American people, we’re gonna grant amnesty for the three million people who are here illegally. And in exchange for that we’re actually gonna secure the borders. We’re gonna solve illegal immigration, and the problem is gonna go away.
“Now, we saw what happened. The amnesty happened, the borders never got secured, and now three decades later, instead of three million people, it’s 11 million people.
“11 million, 12 million. We don’t have an exact number, but it is three to four times bigger than what it was in 1986, and we’re hearing the exact same empty promises. What the Gang of Eight bill does is it grants legalization now. It takes everyone who’s here illegally and says, “You’re legal,” and then just like in 1986 it promises, “sometime in the future, trust us, wink-wink, we’ll secure the border.” I don’t think the American people are that foolish. You know, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If this bill is enacted, it will make the problem worse. If this bill is enacted, in another decade or two we’re gonna be back here not with 11 million, but with 20 million or 30 million people here illegally. This is a broken system. I think what Americans want is fix the problem, stop playing political games, actually secure the border and make a legal immigration system that works.
“Well, the Democrats want this for pure politics. Chuck Schumer was very candid in the Senate Judiciary Committee when he said, “If there is no citizenship, there can be no reform.” This is all about their endeavor. They want to grant amnesty, and they hope to get a lot more Democratic voters, or they want this to be voted down and use it as a political issue in 2014 and 2016.
“On the Republican side, sadly, a lot of the support of it is political as well. You know, after 2012, all of the Washington political consultants and all the mainstream media came to Republicans and said, “You’ve got to do better with Hispanics, and the way to do better with Hispanics is to embrace amnesty.” And, look, a lot of Republicans in Washington were scared. I gotta tell you, I think that political argument is complete nonsense. If you look at the last time we enacted amnesty in 1986, the next election was 1988, the Republican share of the Hispanic vote went down. It is not the case — Hispanics are not the single-issue, monolithic voters.”
I see nothing there that is incompatible with what he is saying now. And furthermore, Cruz (with a couple of others) led the fight against the bill — and put up a petition against it.
Meanwhile, here is Donald Trump’s position as of EARLIER THIS YEAR:
(July 26)
“Now, a lot of these people are helping us, whether it’s the grapes, or whether it’s jobs, and sometimes it’s jobs, in all fairness, I love our country, but sometimes it’s jobs that a citizen of the United States doesn’t want to do. I mean, there are jobs that a lot of people don’t want to do. I want to move them out, and we’re going to move them back in.
“I’ve been giving it so much thought, you know you have a — on a humanitarian basis, you have a lot of deep thought going into this, believe me. I actually have a big heart...I mean, a lot of people don’t understand that, but the DREAMers, it’s a tough situation, we’re going to do something, and one of the things we’re going to do is expedite — when somebody’s terrific, we want them back here.
“I have to tell you: Some of these people have been here, they’ve done a good job. You know, in some cases, sadly, they’ve been living under the shadows. ... If somebody’s been outstanding, we try and work something out.”Â
[The article continues] This is in line with what CNN’s Chris Moody reported Trump saying during a press conference in Chicago at the end of June. When asked what he would do about the illegal immigrants already residing in the country once the border was secured, Trump replied, “give them a path,” according to Moody.
https://soundcloud.com/glennbeck/beck-blitz-donald-trumppro-amnesty
(As of July 14)
http://liberteanow.us/2015/07/14/2601/
Trump: You have to give them a path. You have 20 million, 30 million, nobody knows what it is. It used to be 11 million. Now, today I hear it’s 11, but I don’t think it’s 11. I actually heard you probably have 30 million. You have to give them a path, and you have to make it possible for them to succeed. You have to do that.
(As of August 10 — remember all these dates on the Trump quotes are THIS YEAR)
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422351/donald-trump-immigration-amnesty-build-wall
“Asked about his immigration ideas on CNN, Trump was a mess, beginning with the old “jobs Americans won’t do” canard favored by open-borders proponents (a canard because it always leaves out the relevant qualifier: “at current wages”Â), then suggesting that we should deport the millions of illegals who are already here only to turn around and bring them back (”I want to move them out, and we’re going to move them back in, and let them be legal.” This process would include those brought here as young children, who will be deported and recycled based on the criterion of whether they are — Trump’s word — “terrific.” What might constitute a federal terrificness standard remains unclear. “We’re going to do something,” Trump said. “I’ve been giving it so much thought. You know you have a, on a humanitarian basis, you have a lot of deep thought going into this, believe me. I actually have a big heart.”
[The article continues] Deporting some 11 million illegals who have for many years evaded deportation only to reimport them under an expedited legal immigration system, the contours of which currently are undefined, and then granting them some sort of permanent legal status is simply another variation on amnesty, and a complicated, expensive, and thick-headed version of amnesty at that. Like the proposed reform program of 2007, which would have purportedly required illegals to be present in their country of origin when applying for legal status, this isn’t just amnesty — it’s also amnesty-laundering.
These are pro-amnesty positions Trump took EARLIER THIS YEAR (2015)! By contrast, Ted Cruz fought the amnesty bill in the U.S. Senate two years ago.
And this information completely contradicts what you’re claiming about Cruz, as anyone can tell.
“Nope, sure doesn’t, that’s why you can’t quote any part of it or actually make a substantial argument against anything I’ve ever written.”
Here is Senator Cruz’s position as of June 2013:
“This Gang of Eight bill is a disaster. It is the exact same thing we saw in 1986. The last big immigration reform was in 1986, and the federal government told the American people, we’re gonna grant amnesty for the three million people who are here illegally. And in exchange for that we’re actually gonna secure the borders. We’re gonna solve illegal immigration, and the problem is gonna go away.
“Now, we saw what happened. The amnesty happened, the borders never got secured, and now three decades later, instead of three million people, it’s 11 million people.
“11 million, 12 million. We don’t have an exact number, but it is three to four times bigger than what it was in 1986, and we’re hearing the exact same empty promises. What the Gang of Eight bill does is it grants legalization now. It takes everyone who’s here illegally and says, “You’re legal,” and then just like in 1986 it promises, “sometime in the future, trust us, wink-wink, we’ll secure the border.” I don’t think the American people are that foolish. You know, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If this bill is enacted, it will make the problem worse. If this bill is enacted, in another decade or two we’re gonna be back here not with 11 million, but with 20 million or 30 million people here illegally. This is a broken system. I think what Americans want is fix the problem, stop playing political games, actually secure the border and make a legal immigration system that works.
“Well, the Democrats want this for pure politics. Chuck Schumer was very candid in the Senate Judiciary Committee when he said, “If there is no citizenship, there can be no reform.” This is all about their endeavor. They want to grant amnesty, and they hope to get a lot more Democratic voters, or they want this to be voted down and use it as a political issue in 2014 and 2016.
“On the Republican side, sadly, a lot of the support of it is political as well. You know, after 2012, all of the Washington political consultants and all the mainstream media came to Republicans and said, “You’ve got to do better with Hispanics, and the way to do better with Hispanics is to embrace amnesty.” And, look, a lot of Republicans in Washington were scared. I gotta tell you, I think that political argument is complete nonsense. If you look at the last time we enacted amnesty in 1986, the next election was 1988, the Republican share of the Hispanic vote went down. It is not the case — Hispanics are not the single-issue, monolithic voters.”
I see nothing there that is incompatible with what he is saying now. And furthermore, Cruz (with a couple of others) led the fight against the bill — and put up a petition against it.
Meanwhile, here is Donald Trump’s position as of EARLIER THIS YEAR:
(July 26)
“Now, a lot of these people are helping us, whether it’s the grapes, or whether it’s jobs, and sometimes it’s jobs, in all fairness, I love our country, but sometimes it’s jobs that a citizen of the United States doesn’t want to do. I mean, there are jobs that a lot of people don’t want to do. I want to move them out, and we’re going to move them back in.
“I’ve been giving it so much thought, you know you have a — on a humanitarian basis, you have a lot of deep thought going into this, believe me. I actually have a big heart...I mean, a lot of people don’t understand that, but the DREAMers, it’s a tough situation, we’re going to do something, and one of the things we’re going to do is expedite — when somebody’s terrific, we want them back here.
“I have to tell you: Some of these people have been here, they’ve done a good job. You know, in some cases, sadly, they’ve been living under the shadows. ... If somebody’s been outstanding, we try and work something out.”Â
[The article continues] This is in line with what CNN’s Chris Moody reported Trump saying during a press conference in Chicago at the end of June. When asked what he would do about the illegal immigrants already residing in the country once the border was secured, Trump replied, “give them a path,” according to Moody.
https://soundcloud.com/glennbeck/beck-blitz-donald-trumppro-amnesty
(As of July 14)
http://liberteanow.us/2015/07/14/2601/
Trump: You have to give them a path. You have 20 million, 30 million, nobody knows what it is. It used to be 11 million. Now, today I hear it’s 11, but I don’t think it’s 11. I actually heard you probably have 30 million. You have to give them a path, and you have to make it possible for them to succeed. You have to do that.
(As of August 10 — remember all these dates on the Trump quotes are THIS YEAR)
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422351/donald-trump-immigration-amnesty-build-wall
“Asked about his immigration ideas on CNN, Trump was a mess, beginning with the old “jobs Americans won’t do” canard favored by open-borders proponents (a canard because it always leaves out the relevant qualifier: “at current wages”Â), then suggesting that we should deport the millions of illegals who are already here only to turn around and bring them back (”I want to move them out, and we’re going to move them back in, and let them be legal.” This process would include those brought here as young children, who will be deported and recycled based on the criterion of whether they are — Trump’s word — “terrific.” What might constitute a federal terrificness standard remains unclear. “We’re going to do something,” Trump said. “I’ve been giving it so much thought. You know you have a, on a humanitarian basis, you have a lot of deep thought going into this, believe me. I actually have a big heart.”
[The article continues] Deporting some 11 million illegals who have for many years evaded deportation only to reimport them under an expedited legal immigration system, the contours of which currently are undefined, and then granting them some sort of permanent legal status is simply another variation on amnesty, and a complicated, expensive, and thick-headed version of amnesty at that. Like the proposed reform program of 2007, which would have purportedly required illegals to be present in their country of origin when applying for legal status, this isn’t just amnesty — it’s also amnesty-laundering.
These are pro-amnesty positions Trump took EARLIER THIS YEAR (2015)! By contrast, Ted Cruz fought the amnesty bill in the U.S. Senate two years ago.
And this information completely contradicts what you’re claiming about Cruz, as anyone can tell.
No, you provided a link I've seen before and then asserted that it said something it doesn't. Now you're spamming me with walls of text and you're still not bothering to supply an argument with it.
You asked for a quote; I gave it to you. it says clearly that Cruz did NOT support legalization. I’m supposed to take your word over that of Senators Sessions, Lee, and Schumer?
You clearly don’t understand what a “poison pill” is. If you’re trying to kill the one provision that the chief sponsor says is essential to the bill, you’re not supporting the bill. And that is what Ted Cruz did.
Trump, OTOH, as I have shown, supports “a path” (i.e., legalization).
Everyone else seems to be able to understand this, Puny. I don’t know why you can’t.
It says he didn't support legalization before the border is secured. Cruz supported legalization after the border is secured, for 2 straight years.
I’m supposed to take your word
Not my word. Cruz's word.
Please stop spamming me in multiple threads with your BS unless you have something important to say.
It says he didn't support legalization before the border is secured. Cruz supported legalization after the border is secured, for 2 straight years.
I’m supposed to take your word
Not my word. Cruz's word.
Please stop spamming me in multiple threads with your BS unless you have something important to say.
Puny, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and you’re being dishonest. The record clearly shows _- and I’e posted it multiple times — that Cruz did NOT support legalization, but as recently as a few months ago, your candidate did.
That’s why you object to me posting it every time you start a new thread to promote this smear.
I hope the GOP-E is paying you well.
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