Remember, to any LIVs here: FDR was a Democrat.
Posted on 12/07/2015 7:49:03 AM PST by TigerClaws
For years, it has been my position that the threat of radical Islam implies an imperative to focus security measures on Muslims. If searching for rapists, one looks only at the male population. Similarly, if searching for Islamists (adherents of radical Islam), one looks at the Muslim population.
And so, I was encouraged by a just-released Cornell University opinion survey that finds nearly half the U.S. population agreeing with this proposition. Specifically, 44 percent of Americans believe that government authorities should direct special attention toward Muslims living in America, either by registering their whereabouts, profiling them, monitoring their mosques, or infiltrating their organizations.
Also encouraging, the survey finds the more people follow TV news, the more likely they are to support these common-sense steps. Those who are best informed about current issues, in other words, are also the most sensible about adopting self-evident defensive measures. - See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/9289#sthash.EtPRG019.dpuf
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Here's an explanation of that:
A walk around the exhibits is a moving experience. Many visitors sob as they look at the photographs and letters of kamikaze pilots. Their sacrifice - made in the name of a divine emperor - is lauded by the museum, which blames the United States for prompting the war.
It dismisses claims that the spiritual status of the emperor changed after defeat.
Under General Douglas MacArthur, the allied occupation forces tried to eradicate emperor worship, which they claimed had stunted democracy and fostered militarism.
They pressed Hirohito to renounce his divinity - according to Shinto beliefs, he is a descendant of the sun goddess Amaterasu - which he appeared to do in an obscure new year speech in 1946.
But a museum display dismisses this interpretation of his words as propaganda.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/21/japan.jonathanwatts
The costs of monitoring ONE person 24/7 by law enforcement is astronomical. We will soon reach the point it is impossible to monitor tens of thousands of Jihadists.
We need to consider opening a dozen GITMOs around the world and expelling those that would do us harm.
Sick idea.
The internment of the Japanese is a black mark because so many of them were citizens, because they lost homes and businesses, were never really compensated for their losses, and yet there were never any terror attacks by Japanese Americans. Indeed, the kids who volunteered for service in the US Army sacrificed greatly and were always in the thick of the fighting.
Had they been involved in terror attacks, had they formed a fifth column supporting the Japanese war effort, it would have been a completely different story.
That is the case now. There are limits on what we can and should do to US citizens who are muslim; they have the same constitutional rights as anyone. But we should not be accepting further immigration from muslim countries except for non-muslims. Any immigrant from a muslim country who commits a felony should be expelled. Any act of terror should result in the entire family being expelled.
The also interned Germans and Italians. I also had heard that Joe DiMaggio’s father, who was a fish monger, could not go to the San Francisco docks to buy fish, because it was a site with military value.
Remember, to any LIVs here: FDR was a Democrat.
I am, though, in favor of my proposition in post #2. These activities don't take place in a vacuum and I suspect many of these terrorists families have to know that the perps are up to something.
Given the time and place, the internment was an absolute necessity.
While some folks like to handwring about the losses suffered by the interned. No one can adequately determine the damage undone. Everyone suffered through that terrible time.
The idea that a completely anti-American culture, Islam, can be welcomed here is insane. Islam is at War with the World. Always has been. We, in the West are it’s prime target, because of our soft culture.
A bogus argument as the internment prevented them from such activities. Don't blame the policy for its success. Instead look at the evidence to see what would have happened without the policy, both what is now known and what was known at the time. Which says there was some risk.
Legitimate fear.
Inexcusable execution.
People forget the widespread resentment of many Americans against their German immigrant neighbors during the First World War, and the resulting effect it had on the German-majority communities. Economically and often by language, these German communities were isolated because of their perceived support for Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany, being painted as the “bad guy” in European politics. Sauerkraut was renamed “Liberty cabbage”, and many of the German Lutheran churches gave up giving sermons and services in only German, but that did not stop the widespread prejudice of the English-speaking neighbors and businesses had against that community.
German-speaking folks were not put in internment camps, but the concept was discussed by the Woodrow Wilson administration of the time. It even got a little traction in both houses of Congress.
From the Progressive faction.
It turned into a major persecution, and led to a vast reformation of the immigration system in the 1920’s.
I’m not saying ‘intern all Muslims.’
I’m saying, “Intern all radical Muslims because we can’t keep up with them.”
And:
1. Zero Muslims allowed to immigrate (refugee, marriage, etc.) until we sort out who is who.
2. Close Mosques that are training Jihadists.
3. Allow families of the victims to sue and recover damages (or ownership) of the assets of these Mosques. Similar to what was done to the KKK. You preach hate, you lose your stuff.
Republicans need to set a ‘hard right’ edge. Democrats are always pushing and pushing the agenda to the left. “Let in 2 million refugees? Okay, we’ll settle for one million.”
This is why Trump is #1 in all the polls right now. He’s willing to re-frame the debate to the right.
More people should step up to an even further right to make him a moderate. The leftist did this putting up the shill Bernie Sanders to run. He knows he has no chance, and even dropped the pretense in the debate backing her over her emails.
We need to set a hard right position and Trump is doing that. Brilliantly.
Does everyone know that the Supreme Court upheld the internment of Japanese and Japanese-Americans?? We can debate whether it was moral or ethical to do so. I’m just saying, legally speaking, there is a legal precedent in a Supreme Court decision on this subject.
The so-called "conservative" writer of this drivel should be ashamed, as should those here that agree with it.
We knew who our enemy was and we were “in it to win it.” If we went overboard a bit here and there, so what? All that mattered was wining the war.
That’s what war is about, and we have forgotten that.
And look at this:
Muslims are being instructed by their ‘religious leaders’ not to cooperate with authorities.
These folks aren’t ‘sleepers.’ They are preaching what they believe openly. They are saying it to colleagues and anyone online that will listen.
Current politics will change drastically once ISIS starts attacks like we saw in California week after week, possibly day after day.
There are hundreds, thousands, millions, willing to die for the Caliphate.
Everything we think about ‘the rules’ is about to change.
We will adapt or die.
The man was living on the west coast during the war. He detailed a series of incidents that occurred early in the war that lent credence to the belief that a percentage of the Japanese citizenry would actively aid the enemy. Like the Muslim cheering about 9-11, these incidents have gone down the memory hole, but he remembered them with great detail, just as we remember what we saw after 9-11. He fully understood that the majority of Japanese citizens were loyal Americans who would not be a danger to the country. But he also argued that there was no way to know which ones those were, and there was a war on, dammit! The object was to win, expeditiously, whatever it took. And there can be no doubt that in that regard, it makes more sense to gather the citizens of Japanese ancestry together and put them in one place where they can be watched for the duration than to keep them in their individual cities and towns, with access to communications and equipment with which those who were not on our side could harm us.
After the war was over, and we had won, you could poll those Japanese and 100 percent would say they were on our side. But during the way, I would bet any amount of money that there were many who were secretly rooting for their homeland to win. It's only natural that they would want that. They were Japanese, and as Americans, we knew that's how we would feel, even if we were trapped in Japan as expatriates at the start of a war.
I don't remember everything he said, but he was very eloquent and his words stuck with me to this day. I wish I had kept the letter. I won't criticize the people of the US in the 1940s for that internment, and I wish we were more like them in their no-nonsense approach to winning wars. Our approach will cause our defeat one of these days, perhaps sooner than we think.
Were there Germans and Italians in the US who were “secretly rooting” for their native countries to win the war?
If so, why is it that FDR did not move to place Germans and Italians in camps?
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