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Why do high-profile campus rape stories keep falling apart?
Washington Post ^ | June 2, 2015 | Radley Balko

Posted on 12/01/2015 1:55:24 PM PST by grundle

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To: grundle

Yeah, how bout all that “inflammatory rhetoric” “hoaxes” et al?


21 posted on 12/01/2015 2:12:36 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (In Missouri, and coming to a State near you, #BlackLiesMatterz)
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To: grundle
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22 posted on 12/01/2015 2:14:27 PM PST by golux
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Not to discount actual instances of rape...but in 24 years of police work, sadly I found that the vast majority of cases are alcohol fueled bad decisions...then buyers remorse the next morning...or cover their butts the next morning...and the male gets dragged through the wringer...


23 posted on 12/01/2015 2:19:14 PM PST by bike800
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To: grundle
Given that there are so many legitimate incidents to choose from

And that's a given because . . .

24 posted on 12/01/2015 2:19:39 PM PST by wideawake
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To: PGR88
Question - what is the term of for this kind of logical fallacy?

Affirming the Consequent

25 posted on 12/01/2015 2:21:52 PM PST by wideawake
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To: grundle
People that are really raped dont typically seek out media attention.

Thus a disproportionate amount of those who seek media attention are probably frauds.

26 posted on 12/01/2015 2:22:49 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: grundle

Six month old article. But interesting if one hasn’t read it before.

The most striking thing about this article is that it doesn’t mention a SINGLE LEGITIMATE case of campus rape, which would have been the easiest way to prove his various assertions that there simply MUST be thousands of campus rapes every year despite the absence of proof and despite the fact that all of the highly publicized cases have been patently fraudulent.

The obvious answer to “why high-profile campus rape stories keep falling apart” is simply that there are NO prosecutable campus rape cases and that the only ones available for high-profile publicity have been fabricated to make up for the absence of any real ones.


27 posted on 12/01/2015 2:25:05 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: PGR88
It has two problems, which make an entire hash of the formal approach to its logic.

The first problem is that it precedes from a false premise:

Given that there are so many legitimate incidents to choose from.

There is no reason to believe this premise is true. It is neither intuitively obvious, nor a fact in evidence.

Second: even if we stipulate that we will accept the hypothetical for the sake of advancing the argument, there is a logical fallacy, called confusion of necessity and sufficiency.

Correct reasoning would be: If there are many legitimate incidents, then many high profile cases will hold together.

However, this statement says nothing about why high profile cases could fall apart. There is nothing in the premise that suggests that there are not many cases that fail to hold together, simply that there should be many that do. [Even if many rapes reported are legitimate, there can still be many which aren't. Common sense and correct reasoning.]

Correct reasoning would be the denial of the consequent, NOT the premise, and what that implies:

many high profile cases do NOT hold together.

Therefore, conclude (correctly, and without requiring any fact not in evidence):

there are many incidents which are NOT legitimate.

28 posted on 12/01/2015 2:29:53 PM PST by FredZarguna (Deathblow: "Not because of who you are, but because of different reasons altogether.")
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To: PGR88

“Its like saying - “there are so many legitimate cases of people who can turn themselves into werewolves, so why can’t I find a case that stands up to scrutiny?”

Question - what is the term of for this kind of logical fallacy?”

An existential fallacy, maybe.


29 posted on 12/01/2015 2:30:59 PM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: wideawake
Correct, and as I point out in the previous post this has other names:

converse error, fallacy of the converse or confusion of necessity and sufficiency.

30 posted on 12/01/2015 2:33:32 PM PST by FredZarguna (Deathblow: "Not because of who you are, but because of different reasons altogether.")
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To: PGR88

I believe this is called “begging the question” ... when one assumes as fact that which is the subject of debate.


31 posted on 12/01/2015 2:35:16 PM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: grundle

If you found some actual rapes with actual victims and actual rapists, including evidence and convictions, how many would “support the narrative,” and how many would not?


32 posted on 12/01/2015 2:50:24 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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For the same reason that the blacKKK and gayKK false flag ops fall apart.

33 posted on 12/01/2015 2:54:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: chopperman

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34 posted on 12/01/2015 2:57:25 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (In Missouri, and coming to a State near you, #BlackLiesMatterz)
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To: grundle

“Given that there are so many legitimate incidents to choose from...”

I think the fact that every story they keep pushing falls apart is strong evidence AGAINST the idea that there are “so many legitimate incidents”.

It’s just like the constant “hate crime” hoaxes. If there were real hate crimes to get alarmed about, then they wouldn’t need to bother with the hoaxes. I have to assume real hate crimes are extraordinarily rare, because every one we read about turns out to be a hoax. Similarly, I have to assume “campus rape” is extraordinarily rare, because every one we read about turns out to be a hoax.


35 posted on 12/01/2015 2:59:00 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: grundle

“Why do high-profile campus rape stories keep falling apart?”

Because they’re meant to RAISE AWARENESS as to what happens to some women in college - no different than blacks faking racism incidents. The key is to focus on what is ALLEGED, not what actually happened.

...and that, people, is why these animals NEVER get prosecuted.


36 posted on 12/01/2015 3:27:35 PM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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Recently, CNN had a Sunday night special called The Hunting Grounds and they promoted the heck out of it the weeks previous. I wonder if their rape histeria mockumentary got any watchers.

I saw that most of the young women were white. I wonder if they showed the faces of the men who they said were their attackers. My guess if they were black or muslim, they were not shown. Although here in Arizona, the rapes are done by Mexicans, these were college campuses and I don’t know what the crimes stats on those are.


37 posted on 12/01/2015 3:31:50 PM PST by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: tbw2
Because they are seeking stories that fit a narrative, instead of the reality of two equally drunk people having sex and it is classified as rape when she changes her mind, which is 90% of the rape cases on colleges today.

And because the media and liberal establishment WILL NOT allow a case of rape by a minority to become "high profile".

And, generally, when a woman is really raped, violently raped, she doesn't like having her experience be "high profile".

38 posted on 12/01/2015 3:33:12 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: grundle
Leftists have promoting false agendas since....well...since there was a sizable pct. of leftists in this country. They are experts at the false narrative.

They deliberately try to promote an agenda that everybody except for white males are oppressed. Of course, leftist feminists hate all males.

I remember reading articles back in the sixties by radical feminists who claimed that every problem suffered by a female was the fault of a male. No woman was ever responsible for her problems or a bad situation she found herself in.

All women were saints and angels...all men devils, demons, and filthy rapists. That narrative is still taught on college campi across the nation.

39 posted on 12/01/2015 4:02:52 PM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: golux

It speaks to how far the left (and the country as well) has fallen that a louse like Sharpton is still given respect and agency. After the Tawana Bradley scam fell apart, Sharpton should have been treated like the pariah he is. For instigating riots where people were killed/murdered, he should be in a penitentiary.


40 posted on 12/01/2015 4:11:25 PM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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