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President Trump? Part 2: What if he's the nominee?
Conservative Review ^ | 11/18/2015 | Steve Deace

Posted on 11/20/2015 8:40:20 AM PST by JediJones

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To: JediJones
True.

Three MAJOR differences: Trump. Ain't. Establishment.

The grass roots have better instinct than the GOPe.

21 posted on 11/20/2015 9:04:54 AM PST by stormhill
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To: Jim Noble

The reasons go a lot deeper than that.

Back in the mid-1800’s the Republican leadership in these Northeastern cities was very WASP-ish and not at all hospitable to new Catholic arrivals from Ireland. They were often blacklisted from jobs and housing, not unlike blacks under Jim Crow.

Along comes the Democrat Party and in their typical identity politics way, signs up the Irish and says “We’ll take care of you”, which they did with patronage jobs and other goodies from the Machine (why do you think the cops were all Irish for so long?)

The Dems got what they wanted, large bases of political power, and the Catholic arrivals got a better economic shake. Sounds ludicrous but that has kept a lot of Catholics loyal to the Dems for almost 150 years.


22 posted on 11/20/2015 9:06:11 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nobamanomore
The Church will actually say that you cannot vote for pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro embryonic stem cell research, or pro gay marriage candidates and be a Catholic.

I have NEVER heard the Church say that. In 2012 I kept waiting for the homilies saying you could not vote for Obama again and be a Catholic. They never came.

What's worse, I have seen them embrace local Dem politicians who have never met an abortion they would not vote for and make them honored guests at Church functions.


23 posted on 11/20/2015 9:08:39 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JediJones

Just another “Hit” piece. Trump DID NOT mock Christian awakening. Just another case of trying to put words in his mouth so they can destroy him. “They” being the Establishment who are determined to undermine someone who is gaining ground with REAL Americans every day. They see their carefully constructed Democrat lite political structure threatened.


24 posted on 11/20/2015 9:16:10 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: JediJones

Except now Trump is getting very large numbers of those voters, more so I expect after Carson drops. More silly analysis of why Trump can’t do what he is doing.


25 posted on 11/20/2015 9:20:43 AM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: JediJones

Question. Is not the Catholic Church taken in some of these Muslim Syrian refugees?


26 posted on 11/20/2015 9:24:48 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: JediJones

Who wrote this twaddle?

When, and IF, the race for the nomination comes down to TRUMP and ANYBODY BUT, Trump should continue to win in a walk.

It seems to me that judging by reality, Republicans have NEVER nominated an evangelical Christian Right candidate.

We support conservative evangelical candidates who run for the nomination, but they sure as shinola, do not WIN the nomination.

Nationally, even Republicans are not now all that evangelical and you would have to high tail it back to the founders, practically, to find one who was.

For the nomination, Trump meets the LIFE requirements of conservative evangelicals, but also he is a more secular believer who can win the rest of the secular party.

Between an imaginary Cruz and Trump contest, Trump wins.

Even the nasty GOP who shamefully despise Cruz, in the end, would prefer Trump to Cruz.

If TRUMP should be taken down by the forces of the GOP/globalists, who else can stand? It will be the GOP candidate, bought and covered.


27 posted on 11/20/2015 9:41:35 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: Hostage

“Sorry, this writeup is mush loaded with plausible yet absurd bunkum.”

It’s “Conservative Review!” They are on a mission to try and derail Trump. Levin & Co. have their panties in a wad about Trump.


28 posted on 11/20/2015 9:44:04 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I don’t think anything says they will excommunicate you, but here is what is their guide.
IVE NON-NEGOTIABLES

These five current issues concern actions that are intrinsically evil and must never be promoted by the law. Intrinsically evil actions are those that fundamentally conflict with the moral law and can never be deliberately performed under any circumstances. It is a serious sin to deliberately endorse or promote any of these actions, and no candidate who really wants to advance the common good will support any action contrary to the non-negotiable principles involved in these issues.

1. Abortion

The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is “never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it” (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide.

The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child’s, who should not suffer death for others’ sins.

2. Euthanasia

Often disguised by the name “mercy killing,” euthanasia is also a form of homicide. No person has a right to take his own life, and no one has the right to take the life of any innocent person.

In euthanasia, the ill or elderly are killed, by action or omission, out of a misplaced sense of compassion, but true compassion cannot include intentionally doing something intrinsically evil to another person (cf. EV 73).

3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research

Human embryos are human beings. “Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo” (CRF 4b).

Recent scientific advances show that often medical treatments that researchers hope to develop from experimentation on embryonic stem cells can be developed by using adult stem cells instead. Adult stem cells can be obtained without doing harm to the adults from whom they come. Thus there is no valid medical argument in favor of using embryonic stem cells. And even if there were benefits to be had from such experiments, they would not justify destroying innocent embryonic humans.

4. Human Cloning

“Attempts . . . for obtaining a human being without any connection with sexuality through ‘twin fission,’ cloning, or parthenogenesis are to be considered contrary to the moral law, since they are in opposition to the dignity both of human procreation and of the conjugal union” (RHL I:6).

Human cloning also involves abortion because the “rejected” or “unsuccessful” embryonic clones are destroyed, yet each clone is a human being.

5. Homosexual “Marriage”

True marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Legal recognition of any other union as “marriage” undermines true marriage, and legal recognition of homosexual unions actually does homosexual persons a disfavor by encouraging them to persist in what is an objectively immoral arrangement.

“When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral” (UHP 10).

WHICH POLITICAL OFFICES SHOULD I WORRY ABOUT?


29 posted on 11/20/2015 9:47:04 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: Parley Baer

“Question. Is not the Catholic Church taken in some of these Muslim Syrian refugees?”

Answer: They’re too busy smuggling Mexicans and OTM’s into the country. Just ask that creep Cardinal of Los Angeles (who should be in jail)!


30 posted on 11/20/2015 9:47:42 AM PST by vette6387
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To: JediJones

Trump will not be the nominee. Bush will be.

The primary rules before March 15th are designed to keep the delegate count diffused and spread out among the many candidates by using Proportional Allocation.

After March 15th, the rules become “winner takes all,” and a less-than majority candidate takes all the marbles. These are also the bigger higher delegate-count states.

This amounts to a GOPPY fix, favoring Their Guy, Jeb.

Watch it happen.


31 posted on 11/20/2015 9:50:45 AM PST by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: JRandomFreeper; JediJones

Sounds like more fabricated crap from the media. I’ll believe it when I see Trump falling off. But it’s BS until then.


Thanks, Johnny, for putting truth to the BS.

FYI, every one of my Catholic friends are for Trump!! Same with the evangelicals.

(A few of the Catholic friends even voted for 0, last time. I thought for sure they’d be supporting Hellary. Nope, no way....it’s Trump!)

I’m seeing more and more Trump bumper stickers around town, as well. (I actually saw a Hellary sticker, while traveling on a central Texas highway, this past weekend. Yiiiicchhhh.)


32 posted on 11/20/2015 9:52:59 AM PST by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: Parley Baer

The Church, and in particular Catholic Charities, is pushing VERY HARD to take in MORE Syrian refugees.

In the case of the broader Church I think it is Liberal feel-good-ism.

In the case of Catholic Charities there is a vested financial interest as each refugee means a new stream of Federal grant money.


33 posted on 11/20/2015 9:55:12 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Lousy analysis of evangelicals too. Wonkworld stuff.


34 posted on 11/20/2015 10:11:58 AM PST by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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To: Jane Long
I donated to Cruz from the first night he announced.

I may well wind up voting for Trump when it comes down to it.

I'm not emotionally involved with either candidate.

They both meet my list to get my vote. Short list, easy list. Mittens couldn't do it.

/johnny

35 posted on 11/20/2015 10:14:25 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: Hostage

“Trump is VERY inspiring to a broad spectrum of demographics. He is also unabashedly Pro-Life.”

His narrative with regard to coming to a pro-life position is convincing, too. From real life, watching the course of a friend’s decision to bring a pregnancy to term and how the child changed his friend’s life. No bombast, not egocentric, no drama. Day to day life, and maturing morality. Yes, Trump is a showman, but he has moments of candor when he is just a man. I enjoy the show for amusement. I enjoy the candor for being credible and forthright.


36 posted on 11/20/2015 10:16:50 AM PST by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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To: Parley Baer

“Question. Is not the Catholic Church taken in some of these Muslim Syrian refugees?”

Answer: They’re too busy smuggling Mexicans and OTM’s into the country. Just ask that creep Cardinal of Los Angeles (who should be in jail)!


37 posted on 11/20/2015 10:18:02 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Mollypitcher1

The author Deace is not establishment and has endorsed Cruz. This guy might be the only radio host who’s even more anti-RINO than Mark Levin.


38 posted on 11/20/2015 10:19:26 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: RitaOK
But Reagan and Bush won the evangelical/Catholic votes. The question is whether Trump appeals to those groups enough to win them. Even values-voting people on FR have said they will vote third party in the general against Trump because his values don't hold up to scrutiny.

Even the nasty GOP who shamefully despise Cruz, in the end, would prefer Trump to Cruz.

Yep, which is why I support Cruz over Trump. He's more anti-RINO than Trump and the RINOs know it.

39 posted on 11/20/2015 10:23:15 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

The fact remains that Cruz has not yet learned enough to lead this nation at this time. If he pays attention and develops a wider range of expertise, his time will come. It is just not now. He does not have the equipment.


40 posted on 11/20/2015 10:39:55 AM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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