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President Trump? Part 2: What if he's the nominee?
Conservative Review ^ | 11/18/2015 | Steve Deace

Posted on 11/20/2015 8:40:20 AM PST by JediJones

...Trump could absolutely win the nomination...the traditional coalition it takes for a Republican to win the White House may have to be reconfigured with Trump as standard-bearer.

...alliance of pro-life Catholics and evangelicals...became the dominant force in the GOP's grassroots...

Since Roe...every Republican presidential election victory except one has one thing in common-the GOP won the Catholic vote. The lone exception was in 2000...

If Republicans do not run a strong pro-life candidate for president, they don't have enough else in common with Catholic voters to win the Catholic vote. And Trump is not a strong pro-life candidate. Just a few months ago Trump was named Planned Parenthood's "favorite Republican."

There are two other important factors to contemporary Republican presidential election victories-energizing evangelicals and winning middle class voters.

A candidate who mocks what spiritual conversion can do to renew someone's life, as Trump just did during a campaign stop in Iowa last week, is going to have a hard time energizing evangelicals.

...there is evidence he would perform well with middle class voters in the general. And every time Republicans have won middle class voters since 1980, they've won the White House. According to polling analysis, the lower the income and the bluer your collar, the more likely you are to support Trump...

Nevertheless, if Trump sees erosion in the GOP's values voter base, he's going to need to add other constituencies to his existing supporters... Especially when you consider Trump's willingness to alter his positions on the fly, because virtually every even moderately conservative position Trump is taking now is a contradiction of his previous progressive positions. Therefore, one could certainly come to the conclusion he is taking these positions now to cater to the primary electorate, and then will pivot away from several of them in the general...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholics; clinton; elections; evangelicals; trump
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Good analysis. The main point is that Republican nominees since Roe vs. Wade have always won the popular vote by winning Catholics and evangelicals and Trump may not be the most attractive candidate to the "values voters."
1 posted on 11/20/2015 8:40:20 AM PST by JediJones
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To: JediJones

Just a question, why do Catholic voters in Boston vote for Democrats? I would think if they voted Republican, the Republican would win Mass.


2 posted on 11/20/2015 8:47:50 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Time for a global crusades. If we do not act, this is only the beginning.)
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To: JediJones

Just a question, why do Catholic voters in Boston vote for Democrats? I would think if they voted Republican, the Republican would win Mass.


3 posted on 11/20/2015 8:47:55 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Time for a global crusades. If we do not act, this is only the beginning.)
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To: JediJones
What is the logic of supporting a screeching fanatical advocate of abortion on any whim because her opponent is not perceived as a sufficiently strong pro-lifer?

Seems like virtually any Republican would be an improvement over Hillary.

4 posted on 11/20/2015 8:48:53 AM PST by stormhill
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To: JediJones

That’s why he’ll have Cruz. Trunp isn’t perfect but right now he’s the best viable candidate. Cruz as Trump’s VP could very likely walk into the presidency after Trump and finish what Trump started. Potentiality eighteen years of recovery for America.

TRUMP/CRUZ!!!


5 posted on 11/20/2015 8:49:28 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: JediJones
If Republicans do not run a strong pro-life candidate for president, they don't have enough else in common with Catholic voters to win the Catholic vote.

As a Catholic, allow me to say...

BULL-FREAKING-PUCKEY!!!!

Catholics TALK a good game about Pro Life, but when they enter the voting booth whatever Democrat spins the better line about Social Justice and being "for da Workin' Man!" will always get their vote.

I submit to you that ambulatory vegetable, Sen. Bob Casey as Exhibit "A".

Trump however DOES appeal to the Catholics who vote their Union Newsletter due to his stances on trade and immigration. Certainly way, way more than Mitt Romney did, or any of his clones would.

Personally I wish Catholics WOULD vote their Pro Life convictions, but the facts on the ground prove otherwise.


6 posted on 11/20/2015 8:49:57 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JediJones
Sounds like more fabricated crap from the media. I'll believe it when I see Trump falling off. But it's BS until then.

/johnny

7 posted on 11/20/2015 8:50:08 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: JediJones
A candidate who mocks what spiritual conversion can do to renew someone's life, as Trump just did during a campaign stop in Iowa last week, is going to have a hard time energizing evangelicals.

I can see it now. Trump will seek to turn the weekly "church bingo night" into a full fledged "casino night." That you can bet on.

8 posted on 11/20/2015 8:50:34 AM PST by Perseverando (For Progressives, Islamonazis & Totalitarians: It's all about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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Trump’s position on life:

I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice

Donald Trump shocked attendees at the conservative CPAC conference in February when he declared himself pro-life after years of supporting the pro-abortion position. Several months ago, when questioned about his position, Trump responded by saying the public “would be surprised” by his stance and, in an interview with Laura Ingraham from Fox News leading up to the conference, Trump characterized himself as “pro-life” and he repeated that apparent reversal when he told the audience at CPAC, “I am pro-life” and pledged to fight for the reversal of ObamaCare, which contains abortion funding loopholes.

While not a “pure”pro life, his other qualities make him the best candidate for this time. His “weaker” position will probably strip votes from Democrats who are “pro choice” but would like a leader with more graits than Hillary.


9 posted on 11/20/2015 8:52:12 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (California engineer (ret) and ex-teacher (ret) now part time Professor (what do you know?))
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To: JediJones
President Trump? Part 2: What if he's the nominee?

Then America has a chance.

10 posted on 11/20/2015 8:52:44 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: JediJones

Correlative only, not causitive.

What wins elections is turnout.

McCain, Romney lost because of lack of turnout=uninspiring.

If Pro-Life was the defining issue, Huckabee would be the pick. But Huckabee lacks inspirational force.

Trump is VERY inspiring to a broad spectrum of demographics. He is also unabashedly Pro-Life.

He has landslide potential.

Sorry, this writeup is mush loaded with plausible yet absurd bunkum.


11 posted on 11/20/2015 8:52:57 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: JediJones
The Rep base is non-Hispanic whites. Romney won them 59% to 39%. If Trump can attract white, Reagan Dems, he can win the election. Do the so-called value voters prefer Hillary? Will they stay home or vote against her?

Trump can also make inroads on the black vote. Blacks agree with Trump on immigration. One poll showed 25% supporting him. If he gets anywhere near that, he can be elected easily. Also, Hillary has some problems with the black vote given Bill's remarks during the 2008 Dem primaries.

12 posted on 11/20/2015 8:53:52 AM PST by kabar
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Hey, now!

Don’t you start using logic on a “Dump Trump” thread!

And to the OP, explain to me just what promises “conservative” Republicans made to win the House in 2010 and the Senate in 2014? Because they sure as Hell ain’t keepin’ ‘em!

Trump isn’t the only one to change his positions to get elected. Most of the Republicans in office do it every election year summer and autumn. Then come January, it’s “We can’t win that kind of vote, sorry! The President/democrats/left is too strong!”


13 posted on 11/20/2015 8:54:07 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“...I submit to you that ambulatory vegetable, Sen. Bob Casey as Exhibit “A”. ...”

AKA “Mobile Turnip One”.


14 posted on 11/20/2015 8:55:11 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Just a question, why do Catholic voters in Boston vote for Democrats?

Because they hate the local Republicans.

In New England, especially MA-CT-RI, the Republican minority is C-of-C, "good government", Episcopalian, pro-gay, the business owner who laid off your brother and is always flying to China.

Democrats in New England help their friends. Republicans are too good for that.

Most of them couldn't find their way to the Eire Pub in Dorchester, and if they got lost and wandered in they'd order a Merlot.

Ronald Reagan won New England twice, and Trump will do so handily.

15 posted on 11/20/2015 8:55:52 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: stormhill

That’s the same logic the establishment always uses. “Sure, Romney isn’t a reliable social conservative, but he’s still better than Obama.” Hasn’t been a winning strategy.


16 posted on 11/20/2015 8:57:20 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Apples and oranges to compare mid-terms to presidential. Totally different electorate shows up.


17 posted on 11/20/2015 8:59:16 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Hostage

You’re not contradicting the article. The extra turnout that won those elections, according to the article, were probably from evangelicals and Catholics. That’s the way those winning Republicans could’ve won those constituencies while others lost them, getting more of them to the polls to vote for them.


18 posted on 11/20/2015 9:00:26 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

There are a lot of CINO’s who identify as Catholic, just as there are lots of RINO’s who identify as Republican!

The Church will actually say that you cannot vote for pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro embryonic stem cell research, or pro gay marriage candidates and be a Catholic. In other words it is impossible to be a Catholic and a Democrat. I think there were five things you couldn’t politically support, but I may have forgot one.


19 posted on 11/20/2015 9:02:58 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: JediJones
Donald Trump is no Ronald Reagan, but I recall where I was 35 years ago.

I was stationed in Germany, nearing the end of my 4th year in country. I lived in a small town along the Mosel River, and spoke very good German by then.

German MSM spewed lies that Reagan would start WWIII, and my neighbors pleaded with me to vote for Carter. For about two months, we'd have discussions at the neighborhood gasthaus, where we discussed the election.

Using my knowledge of contemporary American civics and world history, I allayed their fears by stressing that the world is a safer place when America is strong. Although I voted for Carter in '76, there were a multitude of reasons (well known) why he did not deserve a second term.

Shortly after Inauguration Day, I was invited to sit at the stammtisch, a table reserved for family and friends of the family. Anyone who's spent any time in Germany knows that I was accorded a rare honor.

Back to Trump: although Cruz is my first choice, Trump's pledge to "Make America Great" resonates with me. At least he won't be apologizing for America on the world stage.

20 posted on 11/20/2015 9:04:45 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote is going to Cruz.)
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