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To: GonzoII

This is simply too bizarre to believe. The Kurds have been ISIS’s most powerful ground enemies to date and have never before conducted terrorist activities against the West, not to mention they would have everything to lose and nothing to gain by alienating the West.


3 posted on 11/15/2015 10:04:05 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: catnipman

I think you may have misread the story. The Kurds wanted this guy.


4 posted on 11/15/2015 10:08:02 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: catnipman

The Kurds are hit or miss, they can’t be trusted as they are mooslims. When push comes to shove they will side with their satanic master. They just have a tribal, nationalist streak. They were henchmen for the ottoman empire’s goal to obliterate Christians.


13 posted on 11/15/2015 10:30:31 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: catnipman

The Kurds, like Americans with our Democrats, Libertarians, GOPe and Tea Party, Catholics, Protestants, etc, have factions- while they share a rough ethnicity, they are not all of the same faith, nor the same politics. Some, such as those allied with the U.S. [and mostly betrayed by Obama], want a free Kurdish republic or at least a semi-independent Kurdish province in northern Iraq; others, such as the ones that annoyed the Turks, Iran, and Saddam for ages, want a communist Kurdish state and hate everyone else; but there was also a faction of Kurds loyal to Saddam because they are Baathist [national socialists] and at some point held positions of status in the regime - in the regime’s intel services, for example, and a faction loyal to Krekar who they see as a religious leader.

Now, Krekar claimed to oppose Saddam Hussein but this was more of an act as his group “Ansar” was found to include some of the regime’s intel officers when pro-western Kurds captured and identified them. One was Abu Wael, an older veteran of Saddam’s IIS, but there were others. Saddam helped to arm and fund the group “Ansar” in order to use the group to go in under the no-fly zone in Iraq and assassinate pro-western Kurdish leaders in months before 9/11 because he feared, rightly, that with sanctions failing, the US would coordinate with the pro-western Kurds to topple him. [Similarly, alQaeda assassinated Afghan leader Massood a couple of days before 9/11 to deny the US an ally in toppling the Taliban.]

Krekar’s group merged into Zarqawi’s al Tawhid al Jihaad in 2002 and then after the US captured Saddam, they merged with the remnants of Iraq’s intel services under the command of Iraqi general al Dhouri [who luckily for them had much of the regime’s wealth and key personnel stashed in Syria- also a Baathist state like Iraq used to be.] This new combination of groups become al Qaeda in Iraq when Zarqawi finally openly swore allegiance to bin Laden, and eventually ISIS, with a few other name changes here and there. After Saddam’s execution al Dhouri swore allegiance to Zarqawi. Eventually Zarqawi was killed and the group fell under the command of someone called by the generic alias “al-Baghdadi” but he may be a figurehead for others unknown or for al Dhouri or his ilk.


16 posted on 11/16/2015 12:13:17 AM PST by piasa
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