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1 posted on 11/12/2015 6:29:09 PM PST by upchuck
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2 posted on 11/12/2015 6:29:52 PM PST by gibsosa
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3 posted on 11/12/2015 6:31:56 PM PST by upchuck (Obama is like watching a Twilight Zone episode; 7 years of this guy feels like 100 years. h/t: LWH)
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Too late. This old bag got her flu shot and pneumonia shot last month. They work for me.


4 posted on 11/12/2015 6:32:55 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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An important and definitive “mainstream” government study done nearly a decade ago got little attention because the science came down on the wrong side.

Can you say "Globull Warming?"

5 posted on 11/12/2015 6:34:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Is the pope Catholic?)
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LMAO...

I’ve had about two flu shots in my life, and our infection control nurse was a friend so I humored her.

I hardly ever get sick. My wife would come home sick with the flu, and I’d nurse her, and never get sick.


7 posted on 11/12/2015 6:34:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (I support President Pre-elect Donald J. Trump. Karl Rove, the GOPe, and Leftist's worst nightmare.)
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What about the incidence rate just getting a case of the flu vaccinated vs. not?


8 posted on 11/12/2015 6:35:21 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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Pretty weaselly CDC statement:

“If vaccine works less well in older people should they still get vaccinated?

Despite the fact that flu vaccines can work less well in people who are 65 and older, there are many reasons why people in that age group should be vaccinated each year.
First, people 65 and older are at high risk of getting seriously ill, being hospitalized and dying from the flu.
Second, while the effectiveness of the flu vaccine can be lower among older people, there are seasons when significant benefit can be observed in terms of averting illness that results in a doctor’s visit. Even if the vaccine provides less protection in older adults than it might in younger people, some protection is better than no protection at all, especially in this high risk group.
Third, current CDC studies look at how well the vaccine works in preventing flu illness that results in a doctor’s visit or admission to a hospital. This is just one outcome. There are other studies that look at the effects of flu vaccination on hospitalization rates as well as looking at death as on outcome. For example, one study concluded that one death was prevented for every 4,000 people vaccinated against the flu (Fireman et al, 2009).
In frail elderly adults, hospitalizations can mark the beginning of a significant decline in overall health and mobility, potentially resulting in loss of the ability to live independently or to complete basic activities of daily living. While the protection elderly adults obtain from flu vaccination can vary significantly, a yearly flu vaccination is still the best protection currently available against the flu.
There are limited data to suggest that flu vaccination may reduce flu illness severity; so while someone who is vaccinated may still get infected, their illness may be milder.
Fourth, it’s important to remember that people who are 65 and older are a diverse group and often are different from one another in terms of their overall health, level of activity and mobility, and behavior when it comes to seeking medical care. This group includes people who are healthy and active and have responsive immune systems, as well as those who have underlying medical conditions that may weaken their immune system, and therefore, their bodies’ ability to respond to vaccination. Therefore, when evaluating the benefits of flu vaccination, it’s important to look at a broader picture than what one study’s findings can present. Although flu vaccine is not perfect, the overall evidence supports the public health benefit of flu vaccination. Vaccination is particularly important for people 65 and older who are especially vulnerable to serious illness and death, despite the fact that the vaccine may not work as well in this age group.”


13 posted on 11/12/2015 6:41:05 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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So it's not that they're "not effective," but rather that they're DANGEROUS.

Which is entirely unrelated to the dangers created by massive amounts of vaccines pumped into little children. Because weak immune systems have nothing to do with any kind of overload problems.

16 posted on 11/12/2015 6:44:44 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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I get flu shot every year at VA Clinic and have not had the flu. Am 74. I watch others I know who do not get flu shot go down with the flu, year after year, and are sick for at least three weeks. Believe flu shot works for me.


17 posted on 11/12/2015 6:47:32 PM PST by looois
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Lets see....I’m 61 ...when does this “elderly” stuff begin?


21 posted on 11/12/2015 6:58:51 PM PST by BridgeOutAhead (Obama.....dabit deus his quoque finem)
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22 posted on 11/12/2015 7:00:37 PM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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Never would I have the flu shot voluntarily. When I was still working, the hospital where I was employed (along with all the other hospitals in the area) made it mandatory under penalty of losing your job starting in 2009. Lots of hysteria about the Swine flu back then. Big Pharma created international panic with their collaborators at WHO. In America, the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Health Care Organizations promoted 100% compliance on its sponsored website with guess who: GlaxoSmithKline! No conflict of interest there. The Infx Control doctor at the hospital had no interest in collecting any data on effectiveness of the vaccine. In fact, influenza is usually not the cause of death, but complications in high risk patients who end up getting pneumonia.

Big Pharma will not like this at all...we need another panic... QUICK!!!


23 posted on 11/12/2015 7:03:17 PM PST by Sioux-san
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Oh, my. As usual, an anti-vaxxer grossly misrepresents studies, fails to accurately report what they say, and shows an utter lack of comprehension of what the study does say.

I only read the study at the link “Read the government study that found no flu shot benefit in elderly” (I am not including the actual link). What it said is that the elderly they looked at were already immune to the H3N2 as a result of the 1968 pandemic—therefore, they did not benefit from being vaccinated. That is wildly different than saying that vaccinations do no good.

This study had some severe limitations, in that ALL of its conclusions were made on the basis of *estimates* of influenza illness, and not on actual diagnosed cases. To do a study properly, there must be *matched* control and study groups. There are various ways in which to set up such a study—one would be to vaccinate one group, but not the other, and then compare the rate of diagnosed influenza illness between the groups.

The claim that there was a higher death rate in elders following the increase of vaccination rates is easily interpreted by keeping in mind that there are more elders, and thus, more of them to die from these illnesses. It has nothing to do with vaccination; it most certainly does not mean that increased vaccination rates are *causing* higher death rates.

It is a well-known fact that the immune system becomes weaker after about age 65, and that people in that age group do not respond well to vaccines. This is why some companies have developed special high-dose influenza vaccines for the elderly. This is also behind the current recommendation to vaccinate everyone, and not just those in the high-risk age groups. If fewer people in the low-risk groups become ill, then the people in the high-risk groups are less likely to be exposed.

It is rather funny that the article hints at some government conspiracy that is preventing government scientists from speaking out—but the author of the article used publically available medical journals to find out what those same government scientists are saying, in their own words (even if the author did misrepresent what they said). It seems that if there were some big cover-up preventing government scientists from speaking up, you wouldn’t be able to find their articles in medical journals. The fact is that government scientists are encouraged to publish—in fact, their careers depend on it. They also attend research conferences and present their work. There is no evidence of some conspiracy meant to shut them up.

In closing, I will add that the flu vaccine has been reformulated since last year, and provides very good protection against the currently circulating strains of flu. I have had my vaccine, and expect another flu-free year.


24 posted on 11/12/2015 7:03:37 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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We, my wife and I, do not get flu shots. We do not get any kind of vaccines or shots, and we are neither of us on any prescription drugs. We eat healthy, take a few supplements, and are both in very good health. My wife is 68, I will be 80 in five weeks.

The drug cartel, including the vaccine part of that cartel, can go to H3ll! we will not support them in any way.

We help people who are in a like minded way and need educational support on how to be healthy and how to overcome health issues naturally.

In the first 1,600 years or so of this creation people lived to be hundreds of years old...all without drugs from the drug cartels and with out vaccines. And they did not have ObamaCare!


27 posted on 11/12/2015 7:20:25 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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So medicare does not want to cover flu shots, another fake study is the result


34 posted on 11/12/2015 7:47:45 PM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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Well it depends on what is meant by effective. Aluminum and Mercury are pretty good neurotoxins, so they are effective in accelerating the onset and exacerbating dementias.

Given that the Feds want us docile or dead, vaccines are effective. Slow kill by stealth.


35 posted on 11/12/2015 7:58:00 PM PST by grumpygresh (We don't have Democrats and Republicans, we have the Faustian uni-party)
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I’d like to know the vitamin d3 levels of all those who contract flu...THAT would be an interesting study


37 posted on 11/12/2015 8:09:35 PM PST by goodnesswins (hey..Wussie Americans....ISIS is coming. Are you ready?FU JK)
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bump for later


45 posted on 11/12/2015 9:04:19 PM PST by Albion Wilde (If you can't make a deal with a politician, you can't make a deal. --Donald Trump)
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Never had a flu shot, and haven’t had the flu in abut 25 years (knock on wood). But people I know who dutifully get the shots seems to have at least one bad bout every year.


50 posted on 11/12/2015 10:38:52 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ( have mor)
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Here’s my advice - in public places, when going out the door, don’t grab the door knob or handle, just push it open with your (clothed) arm. Good as a flu shot.


52 posted on 11/12/2015 10:44:14 PM PST by Steve_Seattle ( have mor)
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