..and he has a Nobel Peace Prize for being an expert on Global Warming, ....
Oh... who to believe...
Posted on 11/10/2015 5:09:52 PM PST by ForYourChildren
Last week a study was published in the Journal of Glaciology by a group of NASA researchers reporting that satellite data shows that, as a whole, Antarctica has been gaining-rather than losing-ice mass during the past two or more decades.
So was NASA and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) wrong about Antarctica's ice loss? Is the Antarctic ice growing?
The short answer is best summarized by the title of Andrew Freedman's article on Mashable (which everyone should read): "No, NASA has not reversed itself on the dangerous melting of Antarctica."
However, in less enlightened (or maybe honest) circles, the study's finding is being reported as a massive turnabout of previous research showing the continent to be shedding ice at an increasing rate.
The study does not contradict the troubling trends seen in Western Antarctica.
According to this study, the gains in ice from increased precipitation in the continent's interior, particularly across the East Antarctic Ice Sheet, is enough to offset the melting occurring in the West Antarctic and Antarctic Peninsula.
What these reports usually are missing are several critical points:
- This is one NASA study. Other NASA studies say different and research continues. It is a mistake to simply assume that this one is right and the others are wrong.
- Even if the study is correct, it doesn't indicate that global climate change is not occurring. The increase in ice mass is the result of increased precipitation, which is the result of increased atmospheric water vapor, which is the result of increased global temperatures. (There are numerous other indicators that our climate is changing).
- The study's lead author, Jay Zwally of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, agrees that the overall global rate of ice discharge into the oceans is increasing. "The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away," said Dr. Zwally. "But this is also bad news," he added. "If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for."
- The lead author also notes that the state might be temporary. It could take only a few decades for the ice melt in Antarctica to outweigh the ice gains.
What's Going on in Antartica?
According to this study, the gains in ice from increased precipitation in the continent's interior, particularly across the East Antarctic Ice Sheet, is enough to offset the melting occurring in the West Antarctic and Antarctic Peninsula.
However, the study does not contradict the troubling trends seen in Western Antarctica where there has been widespread loss of ice along the Bellingshausen and Amundsen Seas.
And what this study really illustrates is how difficult it is for scientists to measure small changes in ice. Fortunately, NASA is developing new tools-due to launch in 2018-that will help scientists more accurately measure long-term ice changes in Antarctica. The research on this continues, but is hardly a reason for not taking action on climate today.
Notice the first two bullets and the attempt to downplay their influence.
The first bullet says that they are referencing only one study which contradicts global climate change. Which alone violates their oft-quoted premise that the science is settled. Obviously the science is not settled, because here are scientists with a study that contradicts that the science is settled.
I really like the second bullet, “Even if the study is correct, it doesn’t indicate that global climate change is not occurring.” Too funny!! Basically they are saying, even if the study is correct, it is not correct! ha ha...
Liberals twisting in the wind is too funny to watch.
..and he has a Nobel Peace Prize for being an expert on Global Warming, ....
Oh... who to believe...
OK - how about this:
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/new_ice_age_is_coming_by_2030_says_analysis-156558
Must be nice to write the rules of the game while you are betting on it.
- Even if the study is correct, it doesn't indicate that global climate change is not occurring. The increase in ice mass is the result of increased precipitation, which is the result of increased atmospheric water vapor, which is the result of increased global temperatures. (There are numerous other indicators that our climate is changing).
- The study's lead author, Jay Zwally of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, agrees that the overall global rate of ice discharge into the oceans is increasing. "The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away," said Dr. Zwally. "But this is also bad news," he added. "If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for."
- The lead author also notes that the state might be temporary. It could take only a few decades for the ice melt in Antarctica to outweigh the ice gains.
This is hillarious. They are outlining what not to pay attention too. What about that consensus thingy based on ALL THAT SCIENCE? Nevermind all that, right? Don't believe this science, right? This is just one scientific observation of course. ROFLMAO!!!!!
Yes.
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The idiots still think that they can change the weather. Morons.
Your comments are exactly what interested me regarding the article. Otherwise I would have just ignored it.
But it is just so funny!!
Pretty funny alright. That last sentence says it all: "Just because we haven't got any evidence yet, that's no reason to let up on our expenditures to fight climate change! It would be funny if it weren't so destructive, expensive and half-witted.
By Noel Sheppard | November 18, 2009
[snip]
CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST: ...to create energy, and it sounds to me like an evil plan by Lex Luthor to defeat Superman. Can you, can you tell me, is this a viable solution, geothermal energy?
AL GORE: It definitely is, and it's a relatively new one. People think about geothermal energy - when they think about it at all - in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, 'cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot ...
[snip]
The physics and astronomy website Physlink contests Gore's absurd claim:
It is approximately 4000 degC [7230 degF] at the centre of the Earth.
This should only make sense to a liberal brain. Scientist's brain should be different. Are too many liberals becoming scientist?
THIS is the one to read:
http://www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf
And the answer is.... it’s doing both. Always has.
This probably needs to be studied some more, but researchers had better get the canonical correct answer from Eric Schneiderman before proceeding, lest they incur major civil damages by coming up with inappropriate results. Or is this question perhaps still open for discussion and debate? Schniederman needs to be asked asap if the issue is closed, and if so, when.
Yes, it is.
The research on this continues, but is hardly a reason for not taking action on climate today
Like they say “BELIEVE”... barf!
Is the Ice Melting or Growing?
Yes
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