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A Texas Utility Offers a Nighttime Special: Free Electricity
New York Times ^ | 11/8/15 | By CLIFFORD KRAUSS and DIANE CARDWELL

Posted on 11/08/2015 8:03:39 PM PST by Timpanagos1

DALLAS — In Texas, wind farms are generating so much energy that some utilities are giving power away.

Briana Lamb, an elementary school teacher, waits until her watch strikes 9 p.m. to run her washing machine and dishwasher. It costs her nothing until 6 a.m. Kayleen Willard, a cosmetologist, unplugs appliances when she goes to work in the morning. By 9 p.m., she has them plugged back in.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: electricity; energy; texas; windpower
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1 posted on 11/08/2015 8:03:39 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

Key sentence. “Deregulation in Texas has spurred intense competition for customers.”


2 posted on 11/08/2015 8:05:55 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

Yep. Because of deregulation my 2200 square foot house was kept at a cool 69° all Summer and my highest bill was $115.


3 posted on 11/08/2015 8:08:38 PM PST by gop4lyf (Gay marriage is neither)
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To: gop4lyf

Free wind power can’t be bad.


4 posted on 11/08/2015 8:10:40 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

They have been offering this for 2 years.

The math doesn’t work out quite as you would think.


5 posted on 11/08/2015 8:10:59 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Don't mistake my silence for ignorance, my calmness for acceptance, or my kindness for weakness)
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To: Timpanagos1

Yeah it’s all deregulation, I’m sure the massive amounts of government subsidies to wind farms have nothing to do with it. You really are paying for all this. Through taxes....


6 posted on 11/08/2015 8:11:45 PM PST by rwh
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To: Timpanagos1

But, but, what about the uncollected excise taxes, sales taxes, franchise fees, and other unpaid taxes? Libs heads are exploding with the sounds of a kid popping bubble wrap.


7 posted on 11/08/2015 8:12:30 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: freedumb2003

A couple months ago, wind power prices in Texas went down to negative prices. That is good.


8 posted on 11/08/2015 8:13:07 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: rwh

All power is subsidized, but since we are all forced to pay for it, it would be nice to be able to use electricity at free prices.


9 posted on 11/08/2015 8:16:44 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: Timpanagos1

Check back later.


10 posted on 11/08/2015 8:19:18 PM PST by matthew fuller (BHO strategy: anti-American, anti-Western, pro-Islamic, pro-Iranian, and pro-Muslim Brotherhood.)
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To: Timpanagos1

But, I read in last months issue of “Scientific FReeper” that wind power sucks. Or something.


11 posted on 11/08/2015 8:22:59 PM PST by bigbob (But, I read in Scientific FReeper that wind power sucks, or something.)
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To: Timpanagos1

They still have to generate “reliable” electricity no matter how much wind is blowing at any given moment. I’m sure people’s voltage isn’t fluctuating all over the place with the vagaries of the weather.

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong.


12 posted on 11/08/2015 8:49:45 PM PST by PLMerite (The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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Yeah. You should take 5 minutes and do a little research on how much wind power actually costs to produce and then ask yourself who is really paying for your “free” energy. Carefully though you might be shocked to find out it really isn’t free after all. Oh unless you are one of those millions that dont pay taxes. In that case enjoy...


13 posted on 11/08/2015 8:57:21 PM PST by rwh
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At night, they are generating more wind electricity than they consume and the electricity can't be stored. Basically, supply is greater than demand at night.
14 posted on 11/08/2015 8:58:43 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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To: rwh

I’m paying for the subsidies via taxes, I get that. But until Congress discontinues wind energy subsides, may as well use very cheap or free electricity at night.


15 posted on 11/08/2015 9:01:56 PM PST by Timpanagos1
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I thought that, generally, winds diminish after sunset. Is Texas wind that much different?


16 posted on 11/08/2015 9:02:02 PM PST by jeffersondem
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I grew up dependent upon wind power for water. Therefore, some summers we had to haul water from town.

Wind doesn’t always blow. In Texas, as summer burns on, a rare hot wind on sweaty skin can be a blessing. More often the prairie just bakes in the still but blistering sun.

It’s my understanding that there is yet no good way to “bank” wind-generated power that is abundant when nature cooperates, but otherwise unreliable. There’s when coal and natural gas save the day.


17 posted on 11/08/2015 9:03:30 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: jeffersondem

No.


18 posted on 11/08/2015 9:04:06 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: jeffersondem

It probably has more to do with lower demand from closed offices and businesses than from increased wind.


19 posted on 11/08/2015 9:08:33 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Timpanagos1

“At night, they are generating more wind electricity than they consume and the electricity can’t be stored. Basically, supply is greater than demand at night. “

Yes, but wind is inconsistent. You cannot run any electrical appliance if the voltage is going up and down with the wind speed. The utilities still have to generate (fossil fuel, hydro, nuke) a steady supply of AC to cover anticipated instantaneous use plus some safety margin.

They might say they’re getting too much wind, but the reality probably is they’re trying to get people to do things like laundry during non-peak hours vice daytime peak hours.


20 posted on 11/08/2015 9:14:40 PM PST by PLMerite (The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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