it is a world war with no conventional boundaries or defined lines
Fine. Let these pedophile worshippers piss off Ivan for a change.
The Russians have fewer problems with scorched-earth destruction as compensation for warlike acts than do we.
DEBKA Alert
Wow, if this is true, I wonder if detailed analysis will determine that it was shot down with one of the anti-aircraft missiles that Obama & Hillary had smuggled from Libya to “anti-Assad forces” (i.e., the Islamists).
I don’t know about this, it may be DEBKA misreporting. the London papers are saying the pilot was in communication with the tower about operational difficulties several minutes before the crash and that there were no indications of terrorism.
‘Pootie Poot’ is NOT going to be happy and unlike Obozo, he is a man of action .... I see ‘dead people’ & they’re not in the plane wreckage.
Remember the Maine!
And I’m certain all that Putin will do is issue a strongly worded statement condemning Russia for pushing ISIS into this action because ISIS just wants to be heard and ISIS just wants justice.
/sarc
And people don’t know why we treat DEBKA as tabloid level reporting.
The pilot reported technical problems before crashing. The aircraft was at 33,000 feet. Only states have SAM systems with that kind of range (i.e., no shoulder-fire SAMs).
Unless it was shot down by a nation’s military unit I’d be included to think this was a mechanical problem, and had nothing to do with any kind of missile attack.
Isn’t it a little soon to make this allegation?
I do not know if the report of a missile attack is remotely true. Nevertheless, and despite themselves, people in Amsterdam, Malaysia and the Ukraine must be feeling a certain warm glow of Schadenfreude.
uh...Debka...it was at 33,000 feet!
Pilot cited a problem and requested emergency landing.
NOT A SHOULDER FIRED MISSILE!!!
“A criminal case has also been opened against the airline, Kogalymavia, for “violation of rules of flight and preparation for them”, Russia’s Ria news agency reported.”
Russia 24, a state-owned news channel, and other Russian media outlets are saying the pilot reported technical problems and requested a landing at the nearest airport before the plane went missing. Officials have not corroborated those reports.
Russia 24 also quotes the FlightRadar 24 website as saying the plane was descending at a rate of 1,800 meters per minute, or 67 mph, before radar contact was lost.
Weather in the area was clear, CNN reports.
The Egyptian Prime Minister meets with ministers and security officials regarding the crash. An ISIS-aligned insurgency is active in parts of Sinai, but there is no initial indication it played any role in the crash.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/middleeast/egypt-plane-crash/index.html
One of the most powerful tools the Kremlin has in its secret arsenal of Special War is provocation, what they call provokatsiya.
While Moscow cannot claim to have invented this technique, which has existed as long as there have been secret services, there's no doubt that Russians have perfected the art and taken it to a whole new level of sophistication and deviousness. At times, it can become a strategy all on its own (not always, mind you, with edifying results).
Provokatsiya simply means taking control of your enemies in secret and encouraging them to do things that discredit them and help you. You plant your own agents provocateurs and flip legitimate activists, turning them to your side.
When you're dealing with extremists to start with, getting them to do crazy, self-defeating things isn't often difficult. In some cases, you simply create extremists and terrorists where they don't exist. This is causing problems in order to solve them, and since the Tsarist period, Russian intelligence has been known to do just that.
While this isn't a particularly nice technique, it works surprisingly well, particularly if you don't care about bloody and messy consequences. ..."
http://20committee.com/2014/03/29/understanding-provocation/
MANPADS hit at 33,000 FEET..??
Ridiculous.
A Bic is not a flamethrower.
Prays for survivors