Posted on 10/30/2015 11:17:51 PM PDT by pboyington
RTAC: a very tough two week or so course. It has the same physical tests as RAP week, and an extremely tough land nav course. Very tough.
No shame taking this course, and many men fail it but still move onto Ranger School.
If you move immediately to Ranger School, your body is already starting to be seriously word]n down.
Ranger School. RAP: physical pass fail tests in the first few days. Darby, Mtns, Swamps are the the later phases and can usually be recycled if you pass RAP. Fail RAP and you are gone, fail Darby, Mtns, or Swamps and you can be recycled.
I have it that roughly less than 15% of men pass all the stages without a recycle. Recycles aren’t bad; it is a wonderful aspect of Ranger School where the ultimate goal is to teach leadership and the Ranger Students learn so much more the 2nd or even the 4th time thru a phase. I have heard of men that have recycled 13 times...or more.
Ranger School is nominally a 61 day class, but most men take 150 days to complete.
So much misinformation about Ranger School...not saying women is a good or bad thing, just describing the school a little bit for better arguments pro or con.
The issue is not whether some women can graduate from Ranger School, there is no doubt there is going to be a small number of women at any time who are far to the right of the curve who can pass the physical requirements, especially if they are groomed, given “extra” assistance to pass, and are part of an affirmative action type of plan.
Which they clearly are.
But that is not the issue, whether some woman can pass. The question is, should women be allowed in combat, and the answer is an unequivocal no.
No, that is, unless the military is a jobs force and not a fighting force.
The question is not women in combat. They have been in combat due to the nature of the wars in iraq and afghanastan. The issue is women in combat units such as infantry and armor.
Also, I neglected to mention that woman are also now part of the teaching cadre of instructors at Ranger School.
Or will be shortly.
That is a given, but they should not even be put in that position either except in extreme necessity of support roles (except that we are artificially making them necessary) and there aren’t many of those.
We have entered into some very bad policy as the result of fighting foes who haven’t been able to contest us in many areas (such as air and naval superiority) and when we get into a conflict where these things matter, we are going to get some nasty lessons.
Travis McGee summarized that completely in the last graphic in his post at #16. Having women anywhere near combat works when the military has aspects to it that are more related to jobs and advancement than war. But when there is a Chosin Reservoir or Edson’s Ridge, we will find out the hard way.
I first heard a retired NCO call in to a radio show with the following:
“I talked to a senior NCO at the Base who said that the entire training squad received just a bit more sleep and food that all prior squads.”
“From the article “Twenty more females are set to begin Ranger School in November—
Hmm, well, so much for my crystal ball ability :)
If less than 3% of ALREADY SCREENED AND QUALIFIED men can qualify, why should anybody believe that ANY woman can equal that top 3% of men in strength and endurance?
Twenty more. Lord help us. This is not the end. It is just the beginning.
No doubt our fighting forces will be much improved now that we are selecting and training the 'fair' way, no?
How soon before the new training will encompass men wearing red spike high heels and pregnancy simulators so they can feel what it feels likes to be a woman, too?
I'm sure our potential enemies are roaring with laughter over our departure from reality in our military. Eventually the price will be paid horribly in blood and defeat - ours.
“the entire training squad received just a bit more sleep and food that all prior squads.â€
There are the lower standards for you.
There was also undue command influence. The Two-Star Commanding General came out at night and stood right behind the graders looking over their shoulders, while the women went through the lanes that they were likely to fail. They passed.
Before the women graduated, the O-6 commander of the Ranger Training Brigade was given a Letter of Reprimand into his official records, among other arm-twisting.
“If you move immediately to Ranger School (from RTAC), your body is already starting to be seriously worn down.”
They created a special platoon for the female Ranger trainees at Benning, where the adjusted intensity to get them rested and re-fed before re-entry. Their Resident, full-time Ranger “coach” tutored them on all the skills and drills they were weak on, or would need. Reportedly, they were also told exactly what to expect at every turn - no surprises for them, like the men would be treated to.
Unlimited recycles with rest and re-feeding breaks were not their only benefit - they were immune from elimination, no matter what they failed. They had to medical out or quit.
Another aspect of this, is the increased amount of women now set aside for each class at West Point.
Another point, somewhat alluded to, is that many women were observers of Ranger School...i.e. could benefit from the classes without actually participating so as to focus their training efforts.
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