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Megastorm Patricia inflicts little damage on Mexican coast "Nature was good to us"
San Antonio Express News ^ | October 25, 2015 | Christopher Sherman,

Posted on 10/25/2015 2:27:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: publius911

Thats not even funny or fair.


21 posted on 10/25/2015 6:33:54 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: Cvengr

Force is not the same as power. Area does not equal volume. Temperature does not equal heat content. To say it was the strongest storm on record, and be accurate for damage assessment, the force had to be factored by volume. Basically you cannot assess strength or power without relating it to volume or size of eye. The more apes get involved, the more mistakes are made.


22 posted on 10/25/2015 6:56:35 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The use of the name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape

In my several decades of casual storm-watching, I had always understood that a tight, well-defined eye was indicative of an intense hurricane. The eye just fell apart about a hundred miles offshore, more rapidly than I recall ever seeing, even after landfall. It intensified very quickly and deteriorated very quickly. An odd storm, imho. The mountains there have been mentioned as being the cause, but it hadn’t even made landfall. Certain Caribbean islands are mountainous, and hurricanes are weakened typically when crossing them, but I don’t recall one with this sort of barometric pressure and windspeed being basically broken up and degraded into a tropical depression.


23 posted on 10/25/2015 7:02:34 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thanks for pointing that out. My size of eye comment should have been about the size of hurricane force winds fields. Got lazy fingers. Cat 5 only extended out 15 miles. Small storm. Fastest wind speed, but not strongest storm. Pee Wee Herman can hit you pretty fast, but a slow punch from Rhonda Rousey will deck ya.


24 posted on 10/25/2015 7:30:31 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The use of the name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

“We’ve moved from storm to severe storm to super storm to mega storm. What is next?”

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you - Ginormous Storm


25 posted on 10/25/2015 8:52:52 PM PDT by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (We are the dangerous ones, who stand between all we love and a more dangerous world.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Well recognized that force isn’t the same as power, but the force of the wind is proportional to the square of the wind velocity, so with respect to structures and the effects of their environment, I’d fully expect wind velocities of sustained winds and 3 sec gusts to exert a specific force on those structures.

If sustained winds are over 160 mph, especially when measured with gusts upwards of 245 mph, I’d expect to see far greater devastation than could be protected from plywood and nails/screws as fasteners or uplift from most structural designs.

Caribbean Basin WFCM for 150mph, Wind Exp C, Seismic Design Cat D, allows for about 420plf uplift, 370 plf lateral loading and 230 plf in shear. In order to implement those loads, one needs 2 courses of 8 common nails on all sheathing to sill and floor plates at 4”oc and field nailing no greater than 6” oc. (Many cases 3”oc at edges). Get any more fasteners and you have problems with stitching failures. Any fewer fasteners, and the sheathing won’t remain attached to the structure at those loads. These are for bldgs no greater than 16’ wide and 24’ long.

While some codes might provide safety factors from 1.25 to 4, doubling the wind velocity will quadruple the wind forces.

I would fully expect a large percentage of structures in the path of such a storm, especially the first 1500-3000 ft from the shoreline, to have been removed entirely from their foundations, and possibly including their foundations.


26 posted on 10/25/2015 10:10:46 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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