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We’re getting the right all wrong: The surprising origins of modern conservative movement
Salon ^ | October 24, 2015 | Elias Isquith's interview with Kathryn Olmsted

Posted on 10/25/2015 12:58:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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Kathryn S. Olmsted is chair of the history department at the University of California, Davis. A historian of anticommunism.
1 posted on 10/25/2015 12:58:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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>> They [conservatives] have been fighting against labor unions and social democracy ever since.

The fight against socialism is an honest and worthwhile fight.


2 posted on 10/25/2015 1:08:22 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

FDR was a hard leftist.

Many in the democratic party at that time were communist.

They still are.


3 posted on 10/25/2015 1:13:31 AM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They still don’t get it...

It really is true that for the left, history begins anew nearly every morning.


4 posted on 10/25/2015 1:14:13 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Gene Eric
This is the sort of "history" they've been "teaching" for a very long time.

The Wisconsin Idea in Education, Politics and Media. [.........."For more than a century, the university system has been guided by the Wisconsin Idea, a tradition first enunciated by University of Wisconsin President Charles Van Hise in 1904. Van Hise declared that he would "never be content until the beneficent influence of the university reaches every family in the state". Today that belief permeates the UW System's work, fostering close working relationships within the state, throughout the country, and around the world."...........]

5 posted on 10/25/2015 1:15:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Fai Mao

My folks used to call FDR the Great White Father.

It was the New Deal and Social Security that caused my father to become a Republican.

They didn’t look at this ‘historically.’ They lived it, having come into their own prior to the 1st Great Depression.


6 posted on 10/25/2015 1:21:09 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Fai Mao

Interesting out the interviewer works to deny that there even is a Left, only a Center-left - “like Europe’s Center-Right.”


7 posted on 10/25/2015 1:21:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: piasa

They must remain current - adapt history to appeal to an aggrieved voting base.


8 posted on 10/25/2015 1:23:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Another dynamic that’s still important today, which you trace to this time and place, has to do with the ideological spectrum in American politics. A lot of people have argued before that the U.S. doesn’t really have a left; it has a center-left that is pretty similar to the center-right in a lot of Western European democracies (Democratic Party), and it has a right and far-right (the GOP); but no left.

It's as if the American leftists are children who live in another fantasy universe all by themselves, one they alone define, perpetually pretending that they created civilization and this civilization is being invaded by barbarians from outer space...[whose ideological base is actually much older and more mature than their own.]

9 posted on 10/25/2015 1:31:11 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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FDR was a progressive guilty about being rich with money he did not earn himself socialist

But he was not politically correct and all the cultural leftism we endure was virtually unknown to him

The left is worse now across the board

Most leftists even then were patriotic when push came to shove

They are not now

They view America and Europe basically all things white Christian and male as oppression causative and the root of social injustice and inequality


10 posted on 10/25/2015 1:37:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (The establishment needs destroying)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Communists, of course, had very progressive ideas about gender roles and race equality

Oh bull....

11 posted on 10/25/2015 1:40:45 AM PDT by wardaddy (The establishment needs destroying)
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To: piasa

For them, everything must be politicized, with Climate Change as their faith - the structural “cathedral” for healing what ails us, where all social wrongs will be put right and ensure good social order - where there can be no debate to slow down their march to global governance.


12 posted on 10/25/2015 1:42:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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They "know" that free market capitalism and American can-do spirit are barriers to utopia.

Industrialists and "Robber Barrens" helped build the United States and free the world from oppression.

You can almost feel the "You didn't build that" meme oozing from this piece.

13 posted on 10/25/2015 2:05:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: wardaddy

In 1923, the Frankfurt School-a Marxist think-tank-was founded in Weimar Germany. Among its founders were Georg Lukacs, Herbert Marcuse, and Theodor Adorno. The school was a multidisciplinary effort which included sociologists, sexologists, and psychologists.

The primary goal of the Frankfurt School was to translate Marxism from economic terms into cultural terms. It would provide the ideas on which to base a new political theory of revoltuion based on culture, harnessing new oppressed groups for the faithless proletariat. Smashing religion, morals, It would also build a constituency among academics, who could build careers studying and writing about the new oppression.

Toward this end, Marcuse-who favored polymorphous perversion-expanded the ranks of Gramsci’s new proletariat by including homosexuals, lesbians, and transsexuals. Into this was spliced Lukacs radical sex education and cultural terrorism tactics. Gramsci’s ‘long march’ was added to the mix, and then all of this was wedded to Freudian psychoanalysis and psychological conditioning techniques. The end product was Cultural Marxism, now known in the West as multiculturalism.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2007/02/cultural_marxism.html


14 posted on 10/25/2015 2:28:32 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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To: piasa; Cincinatus' Wife

To Leftists (Gnostic pagans) reality is a play script that with each sunrise is edited by erasing everything disliked about yesterday’s version. Thus every freshly edited play script sees “new” genders, “new” definitions, and “new” meaning. In this way they not only maintain but build upon their delusions and obvious insanity from where they exist on the other side of the Looking Glass.


15 posted on 10/25/2015 3:01:27 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In summary, psychotic race and gender obsessed leftist is hired by a major university to indoctrinate young people. She writes a book about how wonderful and “progressive” the commies are on women and race and how this created the evil conservatives. This nonsense is then promoted by a leftist echo chamber as a brilliant revelation and likely becomes historical canon, mindlessly repeated for generations until it is “commonly accepted” as fact.


16 posted on 10/25/2015 3:22:26 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Did she actually say this country doesn’t have a left?


17 posted on 10/25/2015 3:25:24 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I thought it started with the Founders.


18 posted on 10/25/2015 3:33:04 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Roosevelt was not a socialist.

When the dumb bitch wrote this sentence, everything else she wrote was suspect and taken with a


19 posted on 10/25/2015 3:54:54 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
While no one even superficially acquainted with the methods of the Left would pick up this article was an expectation that it might describe any decent motivations on the part of the right, the article is nevertheless interesting for what it reveals of the Left.

. At the time of the new deal, an age when one could still argue that the Republic was moored to the Constitution, a Republican, a conservative would ask, are these proposed labor laws constitutional? Note, the author of this piece never even pays the Constitution a passing reference even though the age in question is indisputably a time when these issues were being thrashed out and the matter of their constitutionality was being litigated. Even though we won the court packing contest, constitutionalists lost the Constitution and the waywardness of the new deal prevails to this day.

The author of this piece ties all the motivations of the right to economic concerns, almost a purely Marxist analysis. If the Republican Party in California is motivated by greed, any decent person would move to uphold the rights of oppressed laborers. But if the question is whether the Democrat party is invading the Constitution in order to gain political power and pile up votes on election day, the dark motivations of the Republicans become benign and "humane" motivations of the Democrats become dark.

Today we live in a post-Constitutional world in America so the issue of whether Obama care would be held constitutional never came into the consideration of the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. Its constitutionality was not merely assumed, it was assumed to be irrelevant. It was assumed to be irrelevant because the left had won the argument over the constitutionality of the new deal and there has never been a meaningful constitutional restraint on the power of the federal government to regulate our lives ever since.

That is the way the left operates, when it is on the losing side of an argument it simply changes the predicates or changes the venue. The predicate should be, is this proposed law regulating labor constitutional but instead the question becomes whether this law regulating labor conditions puts to right Republican/capitalist oppression of defenseless workers? When Roosevelt was losing much of his new deal to constitutionalists on the Supreme Court he proposed to change the venue, that is, to change the court by packing it.

Today the left moves disputes it cannot win from the federal legislature to the executive branch. Thus we see extraconstitutional laws being made every day by unaccountable bureaucrats who work in corners of the federal government such as the EPA, or BLM, or IRS. If the left cannot find an obliging bureaucratic cubbyhole to have its way, it will go to international treaties and so we have TPP and UN contrivances to regulate the right to bear arms.

When a farmer in California fights to save his farm from bankruptcy he is not necessarily a bigot as has been insinuated in this article, he is a sturdy yeoman fighting for the survival of his family just as our early pioneers did. We change the definitions, we change the predicates, and if necessary, we change the venues in order for The Left to win every battle on a new set of ad hoc rules.

Those of us who are stubborn constitutionalists in an age which despises us, those of us who look to article 5 of the Constitution to restore human rights to an oppressed yeomanry all around the nation, know that we must not lose the battle over definitions or predicates or venues if we are to save the Republic.


20 posted on 10/25/2015 3:55:03 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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