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Once students went to university for education. Now it’s an ‘experience’
The Guardian ^ | Tuesday 6 October 2015 01.45 EDT | Peter Scott

Posted on 10/10/2015 6:37:32 PM PDT by 100American

Thanks to Michael Ashcroft’s biography of David Cameron, we know more than we want to about the goings on in the Piers Gaveston Society at Oxford in the 80s. At the other end of the political spectrum there would, of course, have been activist student clubs. Students have always made their own experiences. These days, though, things are different. While students once went to university to get a higher education, now they go to be given an “experience” by that university.

The student experience is made for the student. Universities, jittery about how they will score in the national student survey, have invested in iconic new student centres, all airy atria containing banks of Macs (ideally). They offer more and more “customer services”. They do “feedback” to death.

In one sense all this is long overdue, after the neglect some students may have experienced in the past. It would be grossly unfair to question the professionalism and commitment of those who work in student services. But there may be a darker side.

First, universities are meant to be places for exploration and experimentation. The whole point is that students do it by, to and for themselves. The danger with universities’ new enthusiasm for managing the student experience is that it may restrict the potential for exploration and experimentation.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: education; jobs; millennials
Great, and they have big loans to pay back let alone find a focus for life and providing for themselves...
1 posted on 10/10/2015 6:37:32 PM PDT by 100American
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To: 100American

They named a society after the homosexual lover of King Edward II?


2 posted on 10/10/2015 6:39:37 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: 100American

The entire academic system has been rendered obsolete by technology.
Going to enjoy watching it fall.


3 posted on 10/10/2015 6:44:27 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: 100American

As an adult who recently finished a second degree, my “education” truly was an “experience”...charging forward unlike most of my peers, while out-thinking most of my teachers and giving my less mature classmates hell....


4 posted on 10/10/2015 6:57:05 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: 100American

I’m at a community college, and the only experience anyone is interested in around here is getting a job :)


5 posted on 10/10/2015 7:04:01 PM PDT by BlackAdderess (Proud member of the "vulgar unwashed masses")
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To: BlackAdderess

My best to you as the path to a meaningful degree is underway nut not over...

Sorry

In Business JC’s are like finishing schools, you have basic at best skills and beyond the known low quality PUbEd turns out in general the Credential game has begun for you...

You know, AA to BS to ...

And then add on other stuff, adds depth etc.

I hope sincerely that your course of study is a passion to you and a benefit to the world, I know it is!

God Bless


6 posted on 10/10/2015 7:08:11 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: 100American

Lesson to young people: Life’s a b!tch and then you die.


7 posted on 10/10/2015 7:13:51 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: 100American

Thanks :)

I think my writing class could be a little more intensive on grammar, since I just have been feeling my way through and don’t actually know the “rules”. The textbook she assigned (Allyn and Bacon) is excellent, but I skipped to the back and found the grammar section is over my head.

My grades are great, and the grammar section is not due to be covered, but I want to do better. Would anyone recommend a good text for independent study on this to bring me up to scratch?


8 posted on 10/10/2015 7:22:56 PM PDT by BlackAdderess (Proud member of the "vulgar unwashed masses")
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To: BlackAdderess

Please?


9 posted on 10/10/2015 7:27:57 PM PDT by BlackAdderess (Proud member of the "vulgar unwashed masses")
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To: BlackAdderess

I went to a commuter campus of a state school (the dorms primarily housed foreign students), and it was the same thing; most students already were working while going to school, and were there so they could get a better job when they left. No party scene, and the aged hippies that would walk around with megaphones trying to rally support for some leftist cause or another must have been shocked at the polite indifference of the students. They quickly packed up and headed to nicer campuses in NJ where students were looking for four more years of high school while living away at school on their parents’ dimes.


10 posted on 10/10/2015 7:30:22 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: BlackAdderess; Chigirl 26; seekthetruth; varialectio
Any freeper teachers here?

Who can help this young student in # 8?

Leni

11 posted on 10/10/2015 7:35:14 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: M1903A1
As an adult who recently finished a second degree, my “education” truly was an “experience”...charging forward unlike most of my peers, while out-thinking most of my teachers and giving my less mature classmates hell....

Congratulations to you! Back in 2005 at the ripe old age of 43, I went back to finish my Computer Information Systems and Business Administration degrees (I had a double-major.)

It was tough raising a family and meeting all the obligations I had, but I did it and to this day still feel like it was worth the struggle. I think the best part about it was that my children saw that their father took completing his own education very seriously and they in turn responded by stepping up themselves.

Wife and I just got back from visiting oldest son today at Western Illinois University where he's a Law Enforcement major in their Honors Program. We were very blessed that he scored a full ride for four years and he's thriving.

One of the side benefits of leading by example. :-)

12 posted on 10/10/2015 7:37:52 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: BlackAdderess

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/definitions.htm

Here is a quick on line grammar book that might help. I have homeschooled four and this seems to cover quite a bit.

Good luck best to you


13 posted on 10/10/2015 7:40:52 PM PDT by Chickensoup (We lose our freedoms one surrender at a time)
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To: Chickensoup; MinuteGal

Thank you both!


14 posted on 10/10/2015 7:55:01 PM PDT by BlackAdderess (Proud member of the "vulgar unwashed masses")
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To: BlackAdderess
An authoritative English grammar textbook is AN ENGLISH GRAMMAR FOR THE USE OF HIGH SCHOOL, ACADEMY, AND COLLEGE CLASSES by W.M. Baskervill and J. W. Sewell (1895).

The entire book is available for free online at http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14006/14006-h/14006-h.htm.

15 posted on 10/10/2015 9:23:30 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: BlackAdderess

My recommendation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Style

Amazon has it available used, low cost.


16 posted on 10/10/2015 9:32:58 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: 100American

“For we all came to college but we didn’t come for knowledge, so we’ll raise hell while we’re here!” - old drinking song


17 posted on 10/11/2015 3:44:22 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: MinuteGal

The English grammar Bible IS red, black, blue books from Betty s Azar.
Any student completing these 4 books will have an obvious advantage in writing skills.


18 posted on 10/11/2015 3:54:14 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: Fiji Hill

Thank you, lots of good stuff to ponder there :)


19 posted on 10/11/2015 6:49:39 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (Proud member of the "vulgar unwashed masses")
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To: FlyingEagle

Thank you, found it at the library as well, have a great day all :)


20 posted on 10/11/2015 6:55:15 AM PDT by BlackAdderess (Proud member of the "vulgar unwashed masses")
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