[Paleo Pete]

I have to disagree with Trump for once.

We’ve had guns and mentally unstable people in this country for over 200 years. Only in the past 50 years or so have these mass or “spree” shootings been common.

I think it’s more a morals problem. Put mentally unstable together with no morals then you’re getting somewhere. Mentally unstable has been with us since people believed the world was flat. Only recently has it become demonstrably associated with mass shootings. Mental instability probably plays a part, but before the country went morally bankrupt this type of event was very uncommon.

[Jim from C-Town]

Yes, but 50 years ago the Supreme Court said that we could no longer involuntarily institutionalize the mentally ill without first getting a court order. They said that mental illness was not a crime and made it difficult to remove mentally insane Psychopaths from the streets. They declared that vagrancy and hobo laws where illegal and people had the right to pan handle and live on the street.

We closed all the state mental facilities that at one time housed the schizophrenics and mentally divergent who are often a danger to themselves and others.

Now instead of family members and doctors deciding if a person should be institutionalized, lawyers dressed in black robes make that decision. Like most thing lawyers get involved with, the mental health system is now all fu@ked up.

[Above My Pay Grade]

Actually about 40 years ago we started closing mental institutions and putting the dangerously mentally ill out in the community.

Morals probably play a role as well, but the problem is mainly that we allow the known dangerous lunatics to roam the streets.

[867V309]

I think it’s more a morals problem.

First, school shootings (along with unarmed Army base, no gun zone malls etc.) mean it's a sitting duck problem. These mass shootings JUST DON'T HAPPEN in citizen-armed places.

The real problem is psychotropic medicated nutballs.

[DH]

You said “I think it’s more a morals problem.”

You are absolutely correct! I’ve been preaching that for many years.

Since the mid-60’s when women burned their bras, walked out of the house, threw off their chains of motherhood and abandoned their children to day care centers and sought their own fortunes in employment and business, the cycle began the downhill run until we find ourselves where we are today.

Their theme song was “We are women, hear us roar” was the marching song to the total destruction of the good world we once knew where children were raised with morals, obedience to laws and regulations, conformed to the norms of society, and were actually punished for violation of laws and rules.

The younger on this forum cannot even imagine the days where people obeyed the law, watched each other’s houses and property, and respected the police. They can’t imagine leaving the door to your house unlocked so the milk man could come in a put milk into your refrigerator or the laundry to bring you clothes in and put them in your living room.

MORALS! Something that has been removed from our society and will probably never be replaced in this “brave new world” which I have called for years “the blameless society.”

[ReaganGeneration2]

“morals problem”

Yes, but go further - what is the root cause of that? If you say something like, destruction of the family, lack of fathers, allowing illegal immigration... Ok, but what is the root cause of those?

Answer: the loss of Christianity, and the loss of the fear of God, in the lives of most Anericans

[Chickensoup]

Most of these planned attacks were not about mental illness but about evil.

Evil is a word that needs to return to our vocabulary.

Evil people walk.