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Volkswagen's cheating engines can't be easily fixed
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| 09/25/2015
| Benjamin Zhang
Posted on 09/25/2015 8:08:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Do the cars pass the emissions test? The emissions tests are managed, controlled, and run by the government. If a car passes the test, then it, well pass passes and it is non-issue. Correct?
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:34:38 AM PDT
by
dhs12345
To: Mr. K
Just connect simulated tester hardware and make it think it is always under testAnd now your $30,000 car runs like crap, all the time.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:36:21 AM PDT
by
Drew68
To: MrB
Agreed! So what is the issue?
Unless they gave the bogus data to our federal government in order to comply with some regulatory requirement.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:36:36 AM PDT
by
dhs12345
To: oh8eleven
It was as successful as converting America to the metric system.
Largely thanks to Oldsmobile which attempted to adapt some existing gasoline engine blocks which all cracked. Diesel has been trying to recover from that ever since.
To: ETL
That looks like a super with the bug box computer.
A Nice six volt ‘67 would be fine with me.
To: headstamp 2
That would bankrupt them.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:38:27 AM PDT
by
sitetest
(If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
To: ETL
My cousin drives the new VW Beetle and absolutely loves it... reliable and steady.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:38:57 AM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(What is the difference between Obama and government bonds? Government bonds will mature someday)
To: Yo-Yo
The mileage calculated by the EPA would have been determined with the "test mode" emissionsDo you that for a fact, or are you just speculating? I suspect the test mode is not used for calculating the MPG.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:39:09 AM PDT
by
Jack Black
( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
To: SeekAndFind
OK, here’s something nobody is talking about:
ALL the automakers, foreign and domestic, use “Defeat devices” to meet federal, state, and local NOISE laws.
Even though the federal motor vehicle noise law (40CFR 205) comes under the EPA, the arm of the EPA charged with enforcing that law was defunded decades ago, and compliance has not been enforced since about the early 1980s.
That’s how noisy diesel trucks, from pickups to Peterbilts, can be sold as they are.
States and cities have noise laws on the books but lack the expertise to measure compliance.
Ask me how I know...
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:40:53 AM PDT
by
Redbob
(Keep your hands off my great-great-grandfather's flag)
To: headstamp 2
Next thing we hear, odumbo will put out his EO that due to the pollution factor, all VW’s be impounded and zero compensation paid to the owners. VW will be required to replace them at their cost.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:41:05 AM PDT
by
DaveA37
To: Attention Surplus Disorder
they will pass the smog tests. the issue is whether the emissions systems are on all the time or only during the test. in either situation, under testing they’ll pass. how will the smog testers know whether the car’s software has been updated? short of a master database maintained by dealers of who has or hasn’t brought their cars in for the “fix”, the government wouldn’t really know... i suspect that outside of California, this won’t be a big deal. since California has the toughest smog standards, car manufacturers make their cars meet those standards. most other states don’t have emissions testing, or the standards are not as tight.
i think what VW did was unethical, but faced with increasingly ridiculous bureaucracies writing arbitrary regulations (i.e. did any of us ever get to vote on these smog standards? or vote for the people who wrote them? or have veto power over them?), they found a loophole which was probably legal and took it. the government routinely does wrong things while explaining them away as “legal”. so turnabout is fair play.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:41:24 AM PDT
by
TangibleDisgust
("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Voltaire)
To: Drew68
unplug it when you get home ;)
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:41:35 AM PDT
by
Mr. K
(If it is HilLIARy -vs- Jeb! then I am writing-in Palin/Cruz)
To: Yo-Yo
Or do the right thing and leave the cars alone. The world hasn't come to a halt because of some excess NOx emissions under certain load conditions, so in actuality no harm no foul. Pay a few million in fines, get your hand slapped, and move on with life. Your solution is great.
However...rest assured it'll never get implented because some long-haired, Gaia-worshipping, granola-eating, Birkenstock-wearing, butt-ugly libtard freak (male or female) will come protesting with their brain-dead fellow travellers, weeping before the cameras, screaming, "The Erf is dyyyyyiiiinnnnngggg!!!!!! Somebody saaaave the Errrrffffff!!!!!"
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:41:48 AM PDT
by
hoagy62
(Only one solution left.....)
To: Drew68
well they’ll appear in states like mine that have no emissions requirements
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:42:28 AM PDT
by
jneesy
(rough seas make skillful sailors)
To: Redbob
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:43:45 AM PDT
by
listenhillary
(Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
To: Mr. K
That is what I would do.
Imagine the damage in the environmentalweenies eyes towards the VW brand. All VW products are now suspect even if they aren’t diesel powered.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:46:37 AM PDT
by
listenhillary
(Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
To: Jack Black
"I suspect the test mode is not used for calculating the MPG."AND you would be wrong...
MPG is calculated using the total hydrocarbon emissions to determine the amount of hydrocarbons (i.e., fuel) burned per mile. Gas and diesel vehicle MPG is determined this way and has been since MPG standards were established.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:47:11 AM PDT
by
Redbob
(Keep your hands off my great-great-grandfather's flag)
To: SeekAndFind
I loved the first retro-Bugs that came out several years ago. But I'm not too crazy about these latest ones, like the one you refer to. The first round had the high bubble top characteristic of the original Beetles. This newest version, however, has a more flattened top. It looks like a bug that was partially stepped on. :). Seriously, I don't care for them nearly as much as the first series.
VS...
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:48:41 AM PDT
by
ETL
(ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
To: SeekAndFind
nitrogen oxide, a highly polluting gas
Sound evil doesn’t it folks? Does anyone remember the nitrogen cycle we were suppose to learn in school? It helps to form the ozone layer or shield which we are so concerned about. It helps to feed the plants. Ozone removes those pesky greenhouse gasses like methane from the atmosphere.
Systems and cycles are no longer discussed, whether, science, medicine government or religion or history.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:49:15 AM PDT
by
PeterPrinciple
(Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
To: jneesy
well theyll appear in states like mine that have no emissions requirementsGood point. Might be a great opportunity to get one cheap as long as nobody "fixes" it.
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posted on
09/25/2015 8:49:21 AM PDT
by
Drew68
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