Posted on 09/20/2015 6:11:05 PM PDT by WilliamIII
Not true. That was 1996, nearly 20 years ago, and it hardly matters to most.
Zogby is presented as "credible" by the media who uses it to get a result in polling the media wants. Thus, the media (including FNC) promote Zogby as being credible because it serves their own cause.
You should have paid more attention. Your reaction was idiotic.
I’m not surprised. Trump honestly didn’t do great in the debate but he didn’t have to. I do believe he will definitely have to do better on foreign policy and I think he will. He was the first to bring up the obvious issue of North Korea, that said I didn’t see any candidate put the logical argument together that the Iran deal is very much like the failed North Korean deal which ultimately resulted in North Korea developing a nuclear bomb.
Fiorina did win the debate in my estimation not because I like her but simply because she managed to go head to head with Trump. The losers of the debate were Kasich who really appeared confused running a race out of time. The problem Jeb has was illustrated deftly when his defense of his brother GW with the “He kept us safe.” comment received more applause than he’s ever got for any of his policy discussion. I’ve not seen any polls posing the question but I suspect that GW Bush would poll better than Jeb Bush in favorability at this point.
I think in this coming week we are going to see Trump rise again. The mock controversy over his failing to scold a supporter for criticizing Obama as a Muslim has only helped him. Also his 2nd Amendment policy paper was like his one on immigration a very excellent release that continues to put the lie to the idea that he has no policy behind his rhetoric. The idea of a national right to carry is a very good idea. Trump is being attacked by all the right people and that has nearly totally eclipsed his “ok” debate performance.
I think some candidates have really not learned a thing. Jeb and Christie coming out defending Obama will only hurt them and reinforce the idea that they are not fighters. Christie having shown some real life in this last debate has effectively blown it. Trump is not just valuable as a candidate but he is valuable because he is effectively forcing candidates to vett themselves whether it is when they join in on attacks suggesting those who support a secured borders are racists or when they join in on attacks gleefully using political correctness to suggest Trump is anti-woman or now forcing them to choose sides on the defense of Obama.
I hate to say I believe that Scott Walker’s campaign is now over. I wish it weren’t so and he was the one I thought had huge promise but he seems to not be able to handle the national stage at all. He’s too polite and these first debates have made it hard for someone of his demeanor. I just hope his failure on the national stage doesn’t end his political career because I believe he would make a great Senator from Wisconsin which is a place he really knows how to win.
I’m still a strong Cruz supporter and I suspect he will be in this for the long haul because he has loyal supporters who will keep him in the running. Those with principled backers are going to last till next year. I fully expect Fiorina’s past to caught up with her because she wasn’t a very good CEO and she isn’t a real outsider though she has proved extremely smart in understanding the reality of this race unlike Bush who like Kasich is running a race out of time refusing to accept the reality that we are not looking for a new manager to send to Washington DC.
But Carson thinks Obama is a Christian...what`s up with that?
No doubt Trump is creating a buzz, but it’s still very early in the cycle. You are also right - if it’s not Trump we may be in for a long haul and possibly another 4-8 years of the progressive agenda because the GOP primary will become a bloody process leaving a damaged and weakened candidate as the nominee if it’s a conservative or giving us another RINO that few are excited about.
If Trump can continue like this into the primaries he could capture it early. That would be a HUGE advantage across the board. It appears obvious that the media has not been able to “select” the alternative to Trump and they are trying.
I will admit it - he has shocked me with how well he is doing so far.
How can that be?? Fox News said that Fiorina is NOW in the lead after the debate
http://graphics.latimes.com/2016-campaign-finance/
Fiorina’s biggest donor is past Chairman of Univision - remember Ramos - the guy removed for asking questions (giving speeches) out of turn? The guy who works for Univision?
Well Fiorina’s ONLY major donor is - A. Jerrold Perenchio - past chairman of Univision - the group that’s is or was suing Trump...
It is not the number but the quality of the sample
I dont trust any of them, they all seem to help dems or establishment when push comes to shove.
I dont trust Zogby either, but I guess he missed the memo that went out to most pollsters, you are supposed to be pushing Carley
Zogby has a better track record than Gallup and Rasmussen. This poll is consistant with the NBC poll that was also released today.
This poll seems to make the most sense and was done AFTER Carla’s debate halo wore off a bit. I think everyone expected Carson to drop after the debate and Carla to pick up some momentum - and both did happen. But Trump held his ground during the debate (i.e., no major flubs), so polls showing his support collapsing were wishful thinking from the media. Likewise polls showing Carla becoming a serious challenge to Trump were wishful thinking.
While a candidate can tank virtually overnight (like Perry and Cain), it still takes a few solid weeks to go from 2% (i.e., barely known) to 20% - and this poll shows that Carla, at least so far, is a flash in the pan. If she really is to get anywhere near 20% she will have to do something about her negatives (i.e., HP, Lucent and her 2010 Senate campaign against Boxer) - maybe she can, but I don’t see how.
Hey, she went up 250 percent.
You got that right.
Ping
LOL...I think Snarly borrowed some face glue from Pelousy! Yikes!
I think I predicted exactly this, did I not?
A poll like this can’t say much of anything about a candidate with 5%. The error could put him up or down 3% easily. However, if this poll is taken weekly, you may be able to see trends. Especially in the larger candidates. Like Walker, we know he has lost it. Several polls have steadily reported his decline. And we know that Carson and Fiorina are growing. This says nothing about the rest. Its to small a sample.
“That was 1996, nearly 20 years”
Zogby nailed the last presidential election also.
But, Frank Luntz had half of his random sample change from Trump to Carly? How can this poll be so wrong?
Pray America is waking
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