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To: springwater13

Who cares? At least she was accountable. Trump declared bankruptcy four times, leaving his gullible creditors on the hook for his debts.


2 posted on 09/20/2015 5:19:54 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Uh oh, this will make the Trump fans mad. Tho they hype his business skills.


3 posted on 09/20/2015 5:25:40 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: livius

Fiorina: I Didn’t Know HP Contractor Was Dealing With Iran

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3339228/posts


4 posted on 09/20/2015 5:27:24 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: livius
Who cares? At least she was accountable.

Not sure what you're saying. Fiorina was held responsible by the Board of Directors, she herself has never accepted and to this day denies responsibility for any negative results of her so called leadership at HP.

Accountable you say? Tell ya what ask the 18000, some say 30000 employees who lost their jobs, and all the stockholders that lost 55% of their investment under Frau Fiorina while she walked away with $100 million for her brilliant stewardship. Add to that the fact that she couldn't even beat Barbara Boxer for her California Senate seat, think about that, Boxer, one of the biggest twits in the California, handed Fiorina her ass on a platter. No way Fiorina is going to win diddly in a national election.

12 posted on 09/20/2015 5:33:26 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: livius

LOL.. Her leadership reduced the value of HP by almost 50 percent and she got paid a 100 million dollars for that—— if that is what you mean by being held accountable.


13 posted on 09/20/2015 5:33:29 PM PDT by freespirit2012
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To: livius

Accountable??? FioRINO was just saying the past week that she was fired because she was a woman and the HP board was sexist!


14 posted on 09/20/2015 5:34:49 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: livius

If he had closed his doors, would those gullible creditors have lost money? Yes.

If he had closed his doors, would those gullible creditors have had an opportunity to continue to do business and recoup some of their losses? No.

If he had closed his doors would the property have become vacant? Yes.

If he had closed his doors, would the community have lost business to company employees in the area? Yes.

Would some of those businesses have gone under also? Most likely. Small restaurants across the street suddenly have no lunch or evening clientele.

If he had closed his doors, would all of his employees been out of work? Yes.

If he had closed his doors, would the city, country, state, and federal government have kept their income stream? No.

Bankruptcy laws our there because they make sense.

Better to keep a business going, than screw every over with a hardline shutdown.


15 posted on 09/20/2015 5:37:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: livius

Trump, in person, never declared bankruptcy. Clearly you do not correctly factually understand what he did.


17 posted on 09/20/2015 5:41:11 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: livius

I believe Trump has NEVER filed a personal bankruptcy. He has filed for a Chapter 11 business re-organization 4 times on various business ventures, casino’s if I’m not mistaken. It’s what smart, conscientious business people do on occasions.


21 posted on 09/20/2015 5:57:00 PM PDT by yadent
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To: livius
This horses ass sits in his academic white tower and casts stones at others when he hasn't spent one hour in the private sector actually working for a living. He's never operated a business in his life but feels qualified to critique those who have.

Fiorina is a mess, but this guy's opinion isn't worth jack squat.

22 posted on 09/20/2015 5:59:01 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: livius

Did you even read the column?

She looks like another Hillary with an R after her name.


25 posted on 09/20/2015 6:05:33 PM PDT by Amntn
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To: livius; RginTN; txhurl; Mastador1; freespirit2012; AmericanVictory; yadent; Fury; Mase; Amntn; ...
Trump declared bankruptcy four times, leaving his gullible creditors on the hook for his debts.

Actually, only four Chapter 11 bankruptcies were official, but in some cases he just turned over the failed enterprise to his creditors, without going through the bankruptcy process (examples below).

It's not surprising that Trump is using rehashed liberal opinion hit pieces (like in Fortune and NYT) and liberal academics like Sonnenfeld who have vested interest, to attack Carly's business record (do I hear echoes of 2012's "attack from the left"?)...

He wants to deflect and divert attention from his own record of failures in many enterprises (e.g., Trump University, Trump Airlines / Trump Shuttle, Trump Magazine, Trump Vodka, Trump Mortgage etc., most of which ended up in debt defaults to creditors, or his Trump line of clothing which were manufactured in... China, Mexico and Bangladesh) and especially his former gaming empire built on nothing but his celebrity persona and pile of his high-interest expensive "junk-grade bonds" debt which he successfully offloaded it on unsuspecting shareholders in his public company Trump Entertainment Resorts, Inc. / Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts (DJT) after he bought-in his Trump Castle and later Trump Taj Mahal, while running the parent umbrella company through ownership of a separate (not common) controlling class of stock. That debt brought all 4 of the Trump casinos to bankruptcies, massive layoffs and loss of billions of dollars for shareholders and lenders who basically "invested in Trump's celebrity name and self-promoted aura of success" while he walked away with a pile of money from royalties (on his name), salaries and preferreds, and discharging his own debt...

Folks, stop rehashing the same opinion hit pieces based on superficial but deliberately incomplete or misconstrued "facts." Please read the actual facts in a few posts and links before you give credence to liberals, and ignore huuuuuuge problems with Trump's business record which will become huuuuuge issue in general election if he is the nominee, just because Trump (or someone else) is your candidate of choice. Nobody is asking you to renounce your candidate, or support Fiorina, but please stop spreading the liberal lies about her record at Lucent and HP - she didn't destroy either, and she saved HP from going into oblivion or obscurity like Kodak, Polaroid, Sun Microsystems, Xerox, Lexmark (former IBM printer division), Blackberry, etc.

Please, follow the links in these posts, so you won't have to ask the questions that have already been answered there - they will give you real facts, not opinions based on distortions and convenient omissions which would change the numbers and alter the picture (unless, of course you are so invested in your candidate and "destruction of Fiorina" that the "confirmation bias" would make it impossible) :

Carly Fiorina as a boss: The disappointing truth - FR, post #28, 2015 August 16

Carly Fiorina as a boss: The disappointing truth - FR, post #26, 2015 August 15

Carly Fiorina's Business Record: Not So Sterling - FR, posts #28, #30, 2015 August 18

Ex-HP board member who voted to fire Fiorina endorses her [Tom Perkins] - FR / The Hill, 2015 August 30 (links and posts ##1, 2, 9, 16, 22, 27, 32, 34)

Forget what Trump says about Fiorina's face. Her HP record is the issue - FR, posts ##27, 30, 33, 2015 September 10

Carly Fiorina terrifies me - FR / YouTube, posts ##94, 95

By contrast, here's some of Donald Trump's "magic" in his own words (Art of the Deal): "The final key to the way I promote, is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts."

- FR / The Hill, 2015 August 30 (links and posts ##1, 2, 9, 16, 22, 27, 32, 34) /strong

43 posted on 09/21/2015 12:12:48 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: livius; RginTN; txhurl; Mastador1; freespirit2012; AmericanVictory; yadent; Fury; Mase; Amntn; ...
Trump declared bankruptcy four times, leaving his gullible creditors on the hook for his debts.

Actually, only four Chapter 11 bankruptcies were official, but in some cases he just turned over the failed enterprise to his creditors, without going through the bankruptcy process (examples below).

It's not surprising that Trump is using rehashed liberal opinion hit pieces (like in Fortune and NYT) and liberal academics like Sonnenfeld who have vested interest, to attack Carly's business record (do I hear echoes of 2012's "attack from the left"?)...

He wants to deflect and divert attention from his own record of failures in many enterprises (e.g., Trump University, Trump Airlines / Trump Shuttle, Trump Magazine, Trump Vodka, Trump Mortgage etc., most of which ended up in debt defaults to creditors, or his Trump line of clothing which were manufactured in... China, Mexico and Bangladesh) and especially his former gaming empire built on nothing but his celebrity persona and pile of his high-interest expensive "junk-grade bonds" debt which he successfully offloaded it on unsuspecting shareholders in his public company Trump Entertainment Resorts, Inc. / Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts (DJT) after he bought-in his Trump Castle and later Trump Taj Mahal, while running the parent umbrella company through ownership of a separate (not common) controlling class of stock. That debt brought all 4 of the Trump casinos to bankruptcies, massive layoffs and loss of billions of dollars for shareholders and lenders who basically "invested in Trump's celebrity name and self-promoted aura of success" while he walked away with a pile of money from royalties (on his name), salaries and preferreds, and discharging his own debt...

Folks, stop rehashing the same opinion hit pieces based on superficial but deliberately incomplete or misconstrued "facts." Please read the actual facts in a few posts and links before you give credence to liberals, and ignore huuuuuuge problems with Trump's business record which will become huuuuuge issue in general election if he is the nominee, just because Trump (or someone else) is your candidate of choice. Nobody is asking you to renounce your candidate, or support Fiorina, but please stop spreading the liberal lies about her record at Lucent and HP - she didn't destroy either, and she saved HP from going into oblivion or obscurity like Kodak, Polaroid, Sun Microsystems, Xerox, Lexmark (former IBM printer division), Blackberry, etc.

Please, follow the links in these posts, so you won't have to ask the questions that have already been answered there - they will give you real facts, not opinions based on distortions and convenient omissions which would change the numbers and alter the picture (unless, of course you are so invested in your candidate and "destruction of Fiorina" that the "confirmation bias" would make it impossible) :

Carly Fiorina as a boss: The disappointing truth - FR, post #28, 2015 August 16

Carly Fiorina as a boss: The disappointing truth - FR, post #26, 2015 August 15

Carly Fiorina's Business Record: Not So Sterling - FR, posts #28, #30, 2015 August 18

Ex-HP board member who voted to fire Fiorina endorses her [Tom Perkins] - FR / The Hill, 2015 August 30 (links and posts ##1, 2, 9, 16, 22, 27, 32, 34)

Forget what Trump says about Fiorina's face. Her HP record is the issue - FR, posts ##27, 30, 33, 2015 September 10

Carly Fiorina terrifies me - FR / YouTube, posts ##94, 95

By contrast, here's some of Donald Trump's "magic" in his own words (Art of the Deal): "The final key to the way I promote, is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts."

- FR / The Hill, 2015 August 30 (links and posts ##1, 2, 9, 16, 22, 27, 32, 34)

44 posted on 09/21/2015 12:29:34 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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