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Police and Prosecutor find “Warning Shots” Justified in Purse Snatch Case
Ammoland ^ | 12 September | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 09/15/2015 6:53:16 AM PDT by marktwain

Arizona – -(Ammoland.com)- On 8 September, 2015, David Roberts from Owensboro, Kentucky, fired six shots at a vehicle in the crowded parking lot of the Eastland mall in Evansville, Indiana. Roberts had a permit to carry his handgun. The first shot was a warning shot into the dashboard. The next five were at the vehicles front tires.

The shots followed a double purse snatching from elderly women who were attempting to get their property back. The incident was caught on video, which does not seem to have been released to the public, yet. Police and the prosecutor, who was initially skeptical of police reports praising Roberts, both viewed the video.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; in; warningshots
Police and prosecutor both say the warning shots were justified in this case.
1 posted on 09/15/2015 6:53:17 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Bad presidence. Next they will want LEO’s taking warning shots. Now we will have extra rounds flying around.


2 posted on 09/15/2015 7:07:20 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: marktwain

Should have shot the driver.


3 posted on 09/15/2015 7:07:57 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

Warning shots are almost always never justified.

If you should pull the gun and then the trigger, you should be justified in shooting the bad guy. If you aren’t justified in shooting someone, the gun should stay holstered.


4 posted on 09/15/2015 7:14:13 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: marktwain

It doesn’t seem like it’s “warning shots” per se but that he used the pistol to disable the vehicle and not threaten the snatchers with being shot outright. In short, he used the gun on their car and not on them.

Still tricky legal ground.


5 posted on 09/15/2015 7:14:37 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: marktwain

Shoot to kill. Keep shooting until done.


6 posted on 09/15/2015 7:23:04 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (RINOs EARNED TRUMP! I prefer Cruz, but someone has to kick their A$$!)
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To: Bogey78O

The first shot, into the dash, seemed a pretty clear “warning shot”.

I found it interesting that the police and prosecutor both praised him.

He was restrained. He did not want to kill the young, female purse snatchers, but he needed to prevent further harm.

It worked, Tough situation.


7 posted on 09/15/2015 7:26:03 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Its a good thing they are not charging him.


8 posted on 09/15/2015 7:31:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Bogey78O

...In short, he used the gun on their car and not on them.Still tricky legal ground....

The legal theory is called transferred intent.
When someone shoots a car, the intent transfers from the intent to shoot the car to the intent to shoot its occupants.


9 posted on 09/15/2015 7:44:48 AM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Bogey78O

But, this is a perfect example of defense of others.


10 posted on 09/15/2015 7:50:48 AM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: PAR35

Waiting until you are justified in shooting before drawing is a bad idea in many cases.


11 posted on 09/15/2015 8:14:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but comSUrfmunists just ran for office)
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To: PAR35

The far and away most common defensive use is the display that stops an escalating situation. Elderly couple, or maybe your wife, alone, on the side of the road waiting for AAA. Creeps won’t leave after being asked repeatedly.
No weapons seen but just that 6th sense going off loud and clear.
A display of being armed can change the whole dynamic.

In probably 80% of the nation the people is question have no legal need to wait to get the gun until the attack begins, or until the suspicious person showed that they are armed.


12 posted on 09/15/2015 8:34:35 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but comSUrfmunists just ran for office)
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“Waiting until you are justified in shooting before drawing is a bad idea in many cases.”

That’s why it’s very important to understand the laws of the state. In this case, in Virginia, the shooter would probably go to jail unless he feared for his life, for example, by getting run over by the car. Defense of property is not a sufficient reason to fire.

Also in Virginia, brandishing is such a serious crime that if a CHP carrier draws, he had better be able to prove that he could also have killed the other in self-defense for fear of imminent grevious injury or death. The fact that he didn’t may, in fact, hurt his case.


13 posted on 09/15/2015 8:35:57 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: marktwain

They were both lucky to survive. He could have shot them dead as they were willing to kill by using that car.


Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.


14 posted on 09/15/2015 9:35:28 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound

For clarification, Dean Weingarten is the author of the article. David Roberts is the shooter.


15 posted on 09/15/2015 9:48:20 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat

Wild Dave Roberts : )


16 posted on 09/15/2015 10:02:01 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: PAR35
Warning shots are almost always never justified. If you should pull the gun and then the trigger, you should be justified in shooting the bad guy. If you aren’t justified in shooting someone, the gun should stay holstered.

Exactly how I was trained.

17 posted on 09/15/2015 10:04:20 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I miss my dad.)
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