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Can the Molten Salt Reactor Break Through?
Real Clear Energy ^ | September 11, 2015 | William Tucker

Posted on 09/11/2015 9:48:35 AM PDT by thackney

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Conspicuously absent from the article is the only thing that really matters.

Economics.

1 posted on 09/11/2015 9:48:35 AM PDT by thackney
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Can the Molten Salt Reactor Break Through?

One already did. It was named Ferni and it was near Detroit.


2 posted on 09/11/2015 9:50:47 AM PDT by 867V309 (Trump: Bull in a RINO Shoppe)
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Has the equipment that handles molten salt inside a closed loop been proven? Pumps, valves, heat exchangers, instrumentation?

With natural gas at $3 (MCF) and 50% efficient combined cycle, I don’t think nuclear anything is going anywhere.


3 posted on 09/11/2015 9:58:31 AM PDT by cicero2k
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The Fermi reactor near Detriot was not a Molten Salt Reactor. It was a Fast Breeder Reactor. Different concepts.


4 posted on 09/11/2015 10:05:40 AM PDT by PJBankard (If I had something clever to say, I would have put it in my post.)
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Has the equipment that handles molten salt inside a closed loop been proven? Pumps, valves, heat exchangers, instrumentation?

A very corrosive environment with zero tolerance for failure. The equipment has been proven, just not in a good way. Looks good on paper though.


5 posted on 09/11/2015 10:05:53 AM PDT by 867V309 (Trump: Bull in a RINO Shoppe)
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I hate to tell you, but I am working on fuel rods that are made from something other than zirconium so there is no production of hydrogen possible.

If successful, then it is a “cheap fix” and will put molten salt on the back burner.

Secondly, the problem at Fukushima was the lack of power to the circulating pumps. Today, every nuclear plant in the US is “hardening” their systems with backup generators/pumps in safe buildings away from the plant that can be hooked up quickly to restore power.

Fukushima exposed a flaw in the safety of nuclear power plants. But it is a flaw that is easily fixed without new reactors (that may bring their own new set of issues with them).


6 posted on 09/11/2015 10:09:05 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cruz is so far up Trump's rump that they may need a gay marriage license soon!)
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The Fermi reactor near Detriot was not a Molten Salt Reactor.

Wrong.

In October 1966, a piece of zirconium cladding inside the reactor chamber came loose. The metal blocked liquid sodium coolant from reaching two of the reactor's 103 subassemblies, each holding multiple fuel rods.


7 posted on 09/11/2015 10:13:09 AM PDT by 867V309 (Trump: Bull in a RINO Shoppe)
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Isn’t the point that, if it DOES fail it will drain away into the holding tank. Not do something spectacularly explosive and polluting.


8 posted on 09/11/2015 10:13:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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This was not a salt/fuel mix reactor though. But a solid rodded reactor with molten sodium cooling. Losing the coolant handling capability meant China, not a controlled meltdown/drainoff like is being described for this design.

(News flash: sodium isn’t salt. It’s a metal that easily reacts to form salts.)


9 posted on 09/11/2015 10:15:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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I agree, as a strong advocate of nuclear energy, it just can’t compete....


10 posted on 09/11/2015 10:17:54 AM PDT by brivette
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11 posted on 09/11/2015 10:19:00 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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pressurized water reactor vs. boiling water. Breeder reactors make more fuel than they consume.


12 posted on 09/11/2015 10:21:10 AM PDT by brivette
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It makes good ice cream!


13 posted on 09/11/2015 10:21:39 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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there were two thorium based msr reactors that ran from 1966-1970 under oak ridge auspices.


14 posted on 09/11/2015 10:23:08 AM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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“Fukushima exposed a flaw in the safety of nuclear power plants. But it is a flaw that is easily fixed without new reactors (that may bring their own new set of issues with them).”
Fukushima’s flaw was the diesel tanks that provided fuel for the generators were located outside the buildings walls. When the flood came it washed away the tanks. Basic design flaw. A protection wall around the tanks would have prevented the entire episode at that facility.


15 posted on 09/11/2015 10:23:45 AM PDT by 9422WMR ("Ignorance can be cured by education, but stupidity is forever.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

is it like sodium chloride?


16 posted on 09/11/2015 10:24:13 AM PDT by brivette
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Isn’t the point that, if it DOES fail it will drain away into the holding tank.

These schemes always look good on paper. Lewis Strauss, head of AEC in the 50's, said nukes would make electricity "Too cheap to meter." We'll all have flying automobiles before that happens.


17 posted on 09/11/2015 10:24:28 AM PDT by 867V309 (Trump: Bull in a RINO Shoppe)
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one of the principle claims of msr reactors is that they will produce electricity at a fraction of the cost of lowest cost coal. because the resource is cheap and because they don’t require all they layers of protection that a light water reactor requires.


18 posted on 09/11/2015 10:24:47 AM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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Fermi wasn’t the same type. It was cooled by salt (sodium), but it was a fast breeder. The fuel wasn’t mixed into the salt . This design is very different.


19 posted on 09/11/2015 10:25:26 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Oh, it ought to be tested well in a lab. But to simulate failures shouldn’t be hard.


20 posted on 09/11/2015 10:26:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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