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Kim Davis’s gay marriage issue is legally different than sanctuary city refusal of fed immigration
washingtonpost.com ^ | Sept 2 ,2015 | Jonathan H. Adler

Posted on 09/05/2015 6:54:04 PM PDT by NoLibZone

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Why Kim Davis’s refusal to issue same-sex marriage licenses is legally different from a ‘sanctuary city’s’ refusal to cooperate with federal immigration law

Many commentators have sought to draw an equivalence between Rowan County, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis’s refusal to issue same-sex marriage licenses, in defiance of a federal court order, and the decision of so-called “sanctuary cities” to refuse to enforce federal immigration laws. Yet as a legal matter, the questions presented by the two scenarios are quite distinct. Put directly, Kim Davis is acting in defiance of applicable federal law; sanctuary cities are not — and we can again cite Justice Scalia to explain the difference.

So-called sanctuary cities are jurisdictions in which local officials have decided that they will not cooperate with federal immigration enforcement. Put another way, they are jurisdictions in which local officials are refusing to implement a federal program. The decision to become a sanctuary city may be regrettable, unwise, or worse, but it is perfectly legal and entirely consistent with our constitutional structure.

The Constitution establishes that federal law is supreme. But it is also well-established that the federal government may not “commandeer” state and local governments to implement federal law. What this means is that the federal government is free to enforce federal law, including immigration law, whether state or local officials like it or not. At the same time the federal government cannot dictate that state and local officials enforce that law on the federal government’s behalf.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: aliens; barfalert; gaykkk; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; immigrationlaw; kimdavis; libertarians; medicalmarijuana
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1 posted on 09/05/2015 6:54:04 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

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Why Kim Davis’s refusal to issue same-sex marriage licenses is legally different from a ‘sanctuary city’s’ refusal to cooperate with federal immigration law


2 posted on 09/05/2015 6:54:27 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I voted for Mitt. The lesser of 2 evils religious argument put a black nationalist in the W.H.)
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To: NoLibZone

The author is wrong. At no time has any court upheld the right of nullification by a state or local government. Now you may try to use weasel words and say not enforcing is different than nullification, but the end result is the same. If we extend this logic further we could have a city or state that allows for fully automatic weapons in direct defiance to the AYF. I wonder how long the left would defend that legal “right”


3 posted on 09/05/2015 6:57:44 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: NoLibZone

Correct: the existence of “sanctuary cities” results in the MURDER of American citizens.

Kim Davis’ activity does not.


4 posted on 09/05/2015 6:57:52 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: NoLibZone
Put directly, Kim Davis is acting in defiance of applicable federal law;

And which federal law is that?

5 posted on 09/05/2015 6:59:08 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: NoLibZone

The only difference IF what he says is correct is that Kim Davis gets thrown in jail and the rogues of sanctuary cities get way with breaking federal laws they disagree with without punishment. Some difference. Jail the little person.


6 posted on 09/05/2015 7:03:14 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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"But it is also well-established that the federal government may not “commandeer” state and local governments to implement federal law."

He's playing with words. What a jackass. The federal government forces state and local government to do MANY things to comply with federal law. To name an obvious example, state and local governments must collect and report income information on all of their employees, and must collect social security taxes on those employees.
7 posted on 09/05/2015 7:04:26 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Timber Rattler

Can someone give me a list of all elected officials who have ever been jailed for simply not doing part or all of their job?

I’m still waiting to hear the precedent for this ruling.


8 posted on 09/05/2015 7:04:30 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: LukeL

Many cities/states DO allow for full-auto [post-1986] firearms. Federal jurisdiction would, however, result in serious consequences for those acting thereon.

Were SCOTUS to declare full-auto post-1986 firearms legal under the 2nd Amendment, those cities/states _banning_ such weapons would find their attempts at prohibition thwarted by the feds. (Only difference may be the vigor with which the Court’s ruling would be enforced.)

Basically, the author is correct: the cities/states are not obligated to enforce federal immigration laws. Encouraged, yes, but cannot be punished for not facilitating enforcement.


9 posted on 09/05/2015 7:05:03 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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> “the Supremacy Clause provides that state laws must yield when they conflict with federal law.”

What federal law?

There is no federal marriage law, marriage laws have always been within the purview of the States. The people of Kentucky have decided that marriage is between man & woman.

The USSC has no authority to commandeer the legislative process of the States, Kentucky can not be forced to issue marriage licenses contrary to its laws or to have it’s laws written for them by the federal Supreme Court.


10 posted on 09/05/2015 7:05:05 PM PDT by Ray76 (When a gov't leads it's people down a path of destruction resistance is not only a right but a duty.)
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So how come when Jan Brewer decides to enforce the border and require identification in Arizona do the feds file a lawsuit over civil rights violations and creating a patchwork of immigration laws.

Holder said there can only be one law of the land when it comes to immigration, and it’s the federal govt that overrides state law.


11 posted on 09/05/2015 7:06:50 PM PDT by Vic S
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Am wondering too.

Depriving a citizen of PERSONAL freedom due to failing to exercise administrative paperwork obligations of elected office is bad - moreso when the obligation in question has been presumably vacated by the Supreme Court, and no replacement has been legislated or adjudicated. (I’ve read the KY law in question: take out the overturned bits and there’s nothing meaningful left to “enforce”.)


12 posted on 09/05/2015 7:07:28 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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To: NoLibZone

That Tennessee judge said Tennessee currently has no marriage law; if that was the effect of the Supreme Court ruling, that is , to strike down as unconstitutional any existing state laws written defining marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman, then Kentucky has no marriage law either.


13 posted on 09/05/2015 7:07:31 PM PDT by gusopol3
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"The Constitution establishes that federal law is supreme."

Federal law is supreme over matters reserved by the Constitution to the federal government. Marriage law is not one of those enumerated federal responsibilities.
14 posted on 09/05/2015 7:07:40 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Timber Rattler

Here’s what the guy is caiming:

County clerks like Kim Davis, on the other hand, are not being asked to administer or implement a federal program. To the contrary, issuing marriage licenses is a function of state and local government governed by state law.

Rather, Davis and other county clerks are being ordered to administer their own state and local programs in conformance with the Constitution, as interpreted by federal courts, and the Supremacy Clause provides that state laws must yield when they conflict with federal law.


15 posted on 09/05/2015 7:09:03 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I voted for Mitt. The lesser of 2 evils religious argument put a black nationalist in the W.H.)
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“Kim Davis’s gay marriage issue is legally different than sanctuary city refusal of fed immigration”

Yes it is different, Conservative vs liberal, it appears that liberal always trumps Conservative.


16 posted on 09/05/2015 7:13:08 PM PDT by duffee (No money to the Mississippi Republican Party as long as joe nosef is chairman)
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She is defying a Court, which is something else. The Court says that she is denying the rights of individuals as determined by the Supreme Court. Actually, it is the State sod Kentucky that is not in compliance. They have not changed the duties of the County Clerk to reflect the Court’s decision. They have left it up to the Clerks to handle the matter and she is being punished for exercising her discretion. A reasonable person, would say, contrary to Justice Kennedy’s thinking, that a marriage involves human reproduction; that what Kennedy calls a marriage is in fact a civil union. But reasonable persons are today either silent or punished by the government.


17 posted on 09/05/2015 7:17:44 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: duffee

You identified the difference precisely. The rest is just empty words.


18 posted on 09/05/2015 7:19:11 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: NoLibZone

She’s upholding Kentucky’s constitution which contains a ban on same-sex marriages. The Federal government has no jurisdiction in marriage licensing since that is a power held only by each state. If a state has the power to ban marriage between siblings based on health risks, it has the power to ban any other type of health-risky union. The Federal government has no such power and yet it forces states to authorize marriage to an unequally protected group.


19 posted on 09/05/2015 7:20:55 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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For some reason I'm thinking Mr. Adler was a student of that constitutional scholar Barack Obama.
20 posted on 09/05/2015 7:29:39 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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