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To: Olog-hai

At one time, Social Security was completely separate from the rest of the federal government budget and spending.

I don’t know when, but sometime years ago, if was decided to commingle SS funds with all other federal spending .

Bottom.line is that SS, if run like any other pension or retirement plan, would be broke.


20 posted on 09/05/2015 12:02:16 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I think it was LBJ right after he Bankrupted the Treasury with WELFARE. Nixon Formally Declared the US Bankrupt on August 15, 1971, we have been operating in Receivership since that day.


21 posted on 09/05/2015 12:05:59 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Something started by the federal government is never “completely separate” except on paper—and even more so when funded by payroll taxes, i.e. forcibly. And SS has been broke for years.


36 posted on 09/05/2015 12:47:46 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Dilbert San Diego

http://www.ssa.gov/history/BudgetTreatment.html

In early 1968 President Lyndon Johnson made a change in the budget presentation by including Social Security and all other trust funds in a”unified budget.” This is likewise sometimes described by saying that Social Security was placed “on-budget.”

This 1968 change grew out of the recommendations of a presidential commission appointed by President Johnson in 1967, and known as the President’s Commission on Budget Concepts. The concern of this Commission was not specifically with the Social Security Trust Funds, but rather it was an effort to rationalize what the Commission viewed as a confusing budget presentation. At that time, the federal budget consisted of three separate and inconsistent sets of measures, and often budget debates became bogged-down in arguments over which of the three to use. As an illustration of the problem, the projected fiscal 1968 budget was either in deficit by $2.1 billion, $4.3 billion, or $8.1 billion, depending upon which measure one chose to use. Consequently, the Commission’s central recommendation was for a single, unified, measure of the federal budget—a measure in which every function and activity of government was added together to assess the government’s fiscal position.

This change took effect for the first time in the President’s budget proposal for fiscal year 1969, which President Johnson presented to Congress in January 1968. This change in accounting practices did not initially put the President’s budget proposal into surplus—it was still projecting an $8 billion deficit. However, it is clear that the budget deficit would have been somewhat larger without this change (it is difficult to say how much larger because this change was mixed-in with the other legislative, budgetary and fiscal policies the President was urging Congress to adopt). In early 1969—just five days before leaving office—President Johnson sent his 1970 budget message to Congress, also using the revised accounting procedures. At this point, a year later than his initial estimate, he was projecting the budget for 1969 to be in a net balance of $2.4 billion. (The fiscal year 1969 began on January 1, 1969, even though the President had released his FY 1969 budget almost a year earlier.)


38 posted on 09/05/2015 12:55:05 PM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It was never separate. SS has always been a “pay as you go” welfare transfer scheme. There has been a lot of rhetoric and BS by politicians about lock boxes and contracts but none of it involves any actual contractural laws or constitutional laws.


42 posted on 09/05/2015 1:32:01 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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