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Russia's ruble falls to lowest this year, market drops over 4%
AFP ^ | 24 Aug 15 | Unknown

Posted on 08/24/2015 3:32:11 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

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To: Trumpinator
I don’t think the Russians have ever been freer or more prosperous or even less fearful than they are under Putin currently.

That's questionable, but it's a matter of pure academic interest, I believe. Probably, the reign of Alexandr II "The Liberator", or the Nicolas II's was better.

Yeltsyn's Russia was a failed state, unable to collect the taxes, uphold the law, keep the infrastructure in order and to do the other basic government jobs. It didn't opress the people also, like the USSR had done, but such a country isn't a free one.

21 posted on 08/27/2015 4:59:41 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

How many Russians have died for Putinism in Ukraine?


22 posted on 08/27/2015 5:00:01 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Russian exports should be cheap..... time to stock up /s


23 posted on 08/27/2015 5:01:49 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, .. Iran deal & holocaust: Obama's batting clean up for Adolph Hitler)
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To: Trumpinator
He is probably a European trying to get the America mixed up in European ethnic conflicts on the American tax payer's dime.

Maybe, at least one of his points sounds pretty leftist. It's MSM from he has borrowed it, of course, but still, he posts from his/her name.

24 posted on 08/27/2015 5:05:25 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Why do you think that their intention has been Putinism?


25 posted on 08/27/2015 5:06:47 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior

http://www.ibtimes.com/number-russian-troops-killed-ukraine-accidentally-published-online-russia-2069500


26 posted on 08/27/2015 5:16:06 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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Clearly people in Russia are better off economically and education wise than under the czars. Even under good Czars you had middle ages level of poverty and illiteracy (as many parts of Europe did also).


27 posted on 08/27/2015 6:20:58 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: elhombrelibre

I understood what he meant - Yetlsin era Russia was subservient to western interests more than it has ever been. From the Russian perspective (some Russians or most Russians in any case) that is bad and from the western perspective it was good.


28 posted on 08/27/2015 6:20:58 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Freelance Warrior

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2015/08/25/left-wing-economic-views-are-alive-and-well-in-ukraine/

Left Wing Economic Views Are Alive And Well In Ukraine


29 posted on 08/27/2015 6:20:58 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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Clearly people in Russia are better off economically and education wise than under the czars

Well, this makes the people better off but it doesn't make them freer.

30 posted on 09/02/2015 1:40:42 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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People in Russia today are probably freer than they were under the Czars. That is an objective fact.


31 posted on 09/02/2015 7:36:21 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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"People in Russia today are probably freer than they were under the Czars. That is an objective fact.

These "probably" and "objective fact" in one statement are really funny. Actually, we can compare the reign of Tsar Alexandr II "The Liberator" and the modern era.

Firearms: no restrictions > licensed ownership

Justice system: a competitive process with jurors > professional judges and "telephone justice"
But:

Religion: converting from Orthodox Christianity is a felony punished with penal servitude, loss of social standing, freedom of choice for other subjects > untraditional denominations and religions are discouraged

Women rights: a traditinal patriarchial society > full rights

Corporal punishment: used for peasants > banned

A society divided into estates > full social mobility

Well, the modern era is likely freer, but not in all aspects.

32 posted on 09/02/2015 9:35:33 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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Left Wing Economic Views Are Alive And Well In Ukraine

No doubt.

33 posted on 09/02/2015 9:46:08 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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Well, Russia has only been ‘democratic’ since the 1990s so it is not fair to compare it with the entire Czarist era. We can say Russia post USSR (and that includes Putin’s era) is a freer place than it was under many (but not all) czars. Acceptable?


34 posted on 09/02/2015 9:53:24 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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