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To: JediJones
Ok, Trump needs to take another look at what Snowden did, which was to uphold the Constitution and exposed the un-Constitutional activities of the federal government, the unjustified intrusions into the privacy of We The People, the wholesale collection of data without warrants, Snowden might be many things, but he exposed wrongdoing and we wouldn't have any idea of what had been going on if he hadn't stepped up and blown the whistle.

Taking refuge in Russia may not have been the best move he could have made, but considering the mutual animus between Putin and Obama, it was probably the only really safe refuge he could make use of, and once his passport was axed by the State Department while he was in transit, his options were reduced to just one.
2 posted on 08/22/2015 12:30:33 AM PDT by mkjessup (Iran has an ayatollah for it's 'supreme leader', America has an ASSAHOLLAH !!!)
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To: mkjessup

A lot of people believe in this mythology around Snowden. Fact is he spread a great deal of lies, damaged national security, and on his hands is a lot of American money and blood from victims of terrorism in the middle east.


3 posted on 08/22/2015 12:36:43 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: mkjessup

That’s all true, but Trump is playing to the crowd. Facts, truth, Bill of Rights don’t matter. If the mob wants a scapegoat, Trump will give them one. He doesn’t care. It would be interesting to see what Trump would trade for Snowden, though. Maybe he could promise Putin Ukraine would stay out of NATO — that would make Soros and the neocons (and the Bidens) very angry.


5 posted on 08/22/2015 12:57:01 AM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: mkjessup

drivel


28 posted on 08/22/2015 4:26:33 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, .. Iran deal & holocaust: Obama's batting clean up for Adolph Hitler)
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To: mkjessup
considering the mutual animus between Putin and Obama

Animus between Putin and Obama? Obama and Putin are butt buddies! Obama has been bending over backwards to appease Putin in areas such as missile defense, Iran, and nukes. One has to be mighty "flexible" to bend over as far as Obama has.
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From the campaign trail, 2008...

Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[i.e. not win it]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090412030633/http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."
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Jan 2012...

Obama To Betray Missile Defense Secrets To Moscow
Investor's Business Daily ^ | January 9, 2012 | IBD staff

Appeasement: From ObamaCare to recess appointments, honoring the Constitution has not been an administration hallmark. But when it comes to betraying secrets to mollify the Russians, it becomes a document the president hides behind.

It was bad enough that the 2012 defense authorization bill signed by President Obama set America on a downward spiral of military mediocrity.

He also issued a signing statement, something he once opposed, saying that language in the bill aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on the U.S. Standard Missile-3 — linchpin of our missile defense — might impinge on his constitutional foreign-policy authority.

Section 1227 of the defense law prohibits spending any funds that would be used to give Russian officials access to sensitive missile-defense technology as part of a cooperation agreement without first sending Congress a report identifying the specific secrets, how they'd be used and steps to protect the data from compromise.

The president is required to certify that any technology shared will not be passed on to third parties such as China, North Korea or Iran, that the Russians will not use transferred secrets to develop countermeasures and that the Russians are reciprocating in sharing missile-defense technology.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...
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Mar 2012...

"Obama was talking with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev when neither of them realized that their conversation was being picked up by microphones. Here is what they said:

Obama: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space.”

Medvedev: “Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you ...”

Obama: “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”

Medvedev: “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”

“This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.” That statement tells us much about the president’s mindset.

The specific mention of missile defense is worrisome enough. Mr. Obama has retreated from the missile defense plan that was negotiated with European allies during the George W. Bush administration. Apparently, he is signaling Moscow that he intends to retreat further. The clear implication from the president’s comments is that he cannot tell the American people before the election what he plans to do after the election.

In addition, there is the phrase “on all these issues,” implying more is at stake than just missile defense.”

Article: Obama plans double cross on missile defense
When it comes to keeping America safe, we shouldn’t be too flexible:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/29/obama-plans-double-cross-on-missile-defense/print/
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Aug 2015...

 photo Obama Iran Deal Russia KGB Putin 01_zpspjyus9ja.jpg


29 posted on 08/22/2015 4:27:05 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: mkjessup

That is pure nonsense, unless you call revealing detailed secrets of how we gather foreign intelligence and who was involved in doing so (which had nothing to do with the domestic data collection issue) and severely damaging our national security efforts “upholding the Constitution.” Which of course, it isn’t.


44 posted on 08/22/2015 7:28:06 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: mkjessup

I agree with you on Snowden. He exposed the illegal widespread surveillance. I hate to see Trump go down this road.
Snowden was only a traitor to the NSA, not to the Constitution.


46 posted on 08/22/2015 7:54:37 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but comSUrfmunists just ran for office)
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