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Carly Fiorina: Parents have right not to have kids vaccinated, schools have right not to accept them
Hotair ^ | 08/14/2015 | AllahPundit

Posted on 08/14/2015 8:45:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: kevkrom

If people were cattle, and did not have the ability to research and make informed decisions about their children, then I could see this argument. Additionally, if there were no God, and we were evolved from primordial slime, I may be able to see this argument (although I could argue the survival of the fittest).


21 posted on 08/14/2015 10:01:34 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: LibertarianLiz

No one died in the Disney measles outbreak.


22 posted on 08/14/2015 10:03:20 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
The two may go together. Example: A Christian family with 6 kids decides against vaccinations on religious grounds. They are not allowed to attend government indoctrination centers because of this stand. They decide to Homeschool, or attend a Christian school, in a Christian based education. Perhaps it is God pulling His people out of the schools.?.?

It becomes a problem when those who are vaccinated decide that unvaccinated kids cannot go to a movie with their children. Fear can cause us to abdicate much...
23 posted on 08/14/2015 10:08:50 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Sure I agree that parents should make educated decisions with regard to their own kids, even if they disagree with my own educated decisions with regard to my own kid.

In this case, the “education” on which many parents relied to make their “informed decision” was a study linking vaccines to autism that was trumpeted by a celebrity. That study was shown to be a complete falsehood but the parents didn’t receive that piece of “education” so they’re making their decisions based on bad information - decisions which could very well inflict SERIOUS diseases on their own kids!


24 posted on 08/14/2015 10:12:16 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Trump campaign ad: Trump, in his Apprentice chair, saying "America, you're hired")
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To: Personal Responsibility
I am sorry, but your information is incorrect. I do not know a single parent who decided to forgo vaccinations because of some obscure Hollywood celebrity. There are many studies that have been conducted revealing concerns with vaccinations. There are also CDC whistle blowers who have brought facts forward that have been silenced by the government.

Regardless, what about religious exemptions? Families have faith-based reasons for foregoing vaccinations. You may call it stupid. Fine. But once you abdicate the rights of families to make informed decisions, you open a Pandoras Box and we become USSA.
25 posted on 08/14/2015 10:19:38 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Personal Responsibility

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546421/rep-bill-posey-calling-investigation-cdcs-mmr-reasearch-fraud

As it turns out, the study that exonerated the mmr may have itself been fraudulent.

Now the CDC is offering to investigate itself on the matter. Just like the IRS and Lois Lerner.


26 posted on 08/14/2015 10:44:22 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Little Ray

I felt the same way until I began reading about the fact that there is a small percentage of those for whom the vaccination does not “take”. There is evidence that at least whooping cough and scarlet fever can be passed on by “carriers” of the illnesses who never actually get the illness themselves.


27 posted on 08/14/2015 10:54:09 AM PDT by scottiemom (As a retired Texas public school teacher, I highly recommend private school)
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To: scottiemom

I did no realize that.
No vaccinations, no public school admission.
Heck, I got a lot of my vaccinations AT school!


28 posted on 08/14/2015 10:58:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
How did men survive for the last 6 thousand years with vaccines?

Many millions did not. Google the Black Plague.

29 posted on 08/14/2015 11:01:48 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Lizavetta
Correct, however there were groups that survived quite well, like the Jews who practiced biblical sanitary laws. Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God - Jesus Christ (Luke 4)
30 posted on 08/14/2015 11:07:47 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

My information is incorrect because you don’t know anyone who’s decided to forgo vaccinations due to a celebrity?
There are 300,000,000 or so people in the U.S. I imagine the number of them you know is a reasonably small percentage.

Just because you don’t know anyone who didn’t do so doesn’t mean no one did so. Yeesh.


31 posted on 08/14/2015 11:20:49 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Trump campaign ad: Trump, in his Apprentice chair, saying "America, you're hired")
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To: Jan_Sobieski

What religious grounds are there to not be vaccinated? That seems like a manufactured reason. Isn’t it really just the fear of negative health reactions to the vaccine?

I guess there are those whose religious beliefs do not allow any treatment by doctors at all. I mean other than that narrow view, what religious reason could anyone have against a simple vaccination?

I thank God for vaccinations. We live in a healthier world because of them. They are a grace from God. There is risk in everything we face every day. Vaccines lessen risk far more than they add to them.


32 posted on 08/14/2015 11:24:07 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Come on...you spoke using a sweeping generality. So I responded with an unsupported response. Since the inception of vaccinations, there have been faith based movements to forego vaccinations, long before Jenny McCarthy.


33 posted on 08/14/2015 11:24:21 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Faith is faith. I don’t get between people and their faith. If you had said, in your first post, that faith was why people weren’t vaccinating I’d have said exactly that.

However, that’s not what you said.

You were talking about parents making educated decisions. I inferred that “educated decisions” meant meant reading about the subject, talking to / listening to doctors or celebrities or whoever they thought was in position to disseminate the info they needed and then making a conscious, educated decision. My response was based on this line of thinking.


34 posted on 08/14/2015 11:33:19 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Trump campaign ad: Trump, in his Apprentice chair, saying "America, you're hired")
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Are you OK with what planned parenthood did with the aborted babies?

You realize most vaccines are grown in cell lines derived from abortions, right?


35 posted on 08/14/2015 11:34:23 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Little Ray

I think there may be some kids who for health reasons or immune system problems can’t get vaccinated, so they would be vulnerable.


36 posted on 08/14/2015 11:35:14 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Little Ray

Ray, I should have researched a little further before shooting off my big mouth. I am living in the 90’s where vaccinations are concerned. It looks as though Texas hasn’t required the small pox vaccine in some time And that a scarlet fever vaccine was a figment of my imagination. Sorry if I gave you a “bum steer.” (Just the cow girl in me)


37 posted on 08/14/2015 11:37:04 AM PDT by scottiemom (As a retired Texas public school teacher, I highly recommend private school)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Correct, however there were groups that survived quite well, like the Jews who practiced biblical sanitary laws.

Did they survive because they were sanitary or did they survive because they were forced to live apart from everyone else due to anti-Semitism? And if I remember correctly, the plague came from the infected fleas that came off the rats that came off the ships at port. Even the cleanest house can get a flea infestation. They're looking for blood, not dirt.

I don't know. Just asking.

38 posted on 08/14/2015 11:48:14 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: SeekAndFind
Parents have right not to have kids vaccinated, schools have right not to accept them

If said schools are being supported by taxes paid by the parents of non-vaccinated kids, the issue becomes a bit more complicated.

39 posted on 08/14/2015 11:49:22 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
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To: Black Agnes

I have not had to get a vaccine for a child for years. I was unaware that the rubella and chickenpox vaccines had been started that way. It is important to note that each were started with an already aborted fetus and that no babies are continually aborted to support it. Just two, and the killing was chosen by the mother and not done for the purpose of obtaining vaccines. Still, that is a valid religious reason. Thanks for telling me, albeit in a round about way.

Interesting info: http://www.drwalt.com/blog/2008/07/09/vaccine-myth-13-vaccinations-are-made-from-aborted-babies/


40 posted on 08/14/2015 11:52:19 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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