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Carly Fiorina: Parents have right not to have kids vaccinated, schools have right not to accept them
Hotair ^ | 08/14/2015 | AllahPundit

Posted on 08/14/2015 8:45:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 08/14/2015 8:45:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you to the lying Dr. who created this ridiculous “Vaccine/Autism” link and to Jenny McCarthy for creating a health problem where one didn’t exist. We didn’t have enough problems already.


2 posted on 08/14/2015 8:50:29 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Trump campaign ad: Trump, in his Apprentice chair, saying "America, you're hired")
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To: Personal Responsibility

Why would schools refuse to accept them? The only ones at risk would be the other students who weren’t vaccinated, whose parents have already accepted the risk by choosing not to vaccinate.


3 posted on 08/14/2015 9:04:11 AM PDT by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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To: motor_racer

I imagine they’re saying having unvaccinated kids around each other would speed and outbreak into an epidemic.


4 posted on 08/14/2015 9:05:57 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Trump campaign ad: Trump, in his Apprentice chair, saying "America, you're hired")
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To: motor_racer

I don’t have a dog in this fight but I also had the same question.

Aside from that, seems to me that people who are able to keep their kids out of public schools are the smart ones.


5 posted on 08/14/2015 9:06:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Sad fact, most people just want a candidate to tell them what they want to hear)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sounds fair.
Though what do vaccinated kids have to fear from un-vaccinated kids?
6 posted on 08/14/2015 9:07:43 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: motor_racer

It’s very apparent that you did not live back in the 50’s during the polio epidemic like I did. It was devastating and pure horror.

The only thing that stopped it was mandatory vaccinations at school.

Go believe in your little fantasy world but a similar horror will appear on the horizon due to those who do not vaccinate.


7 posted on 08/14/2015 9:09:15 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Little Ray

Vaccines aren’t 100% effective. They mostly work on the “herd immunity” effect - if enough people are effectively immune, than the odds of an epidemic are negligible at most.

However, when you introduce non-vaccinated people into the “herd”, you increase the number of vectors a communicable disease gets introduced and spread to other members in the “herd”.


8 posted on 08/14/2015 9:11:15 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Other issue, I heard the other day but don’t know whether it’s true and that is that rubella contains or is developed using fetal materials.


9 posted on 08/14/2015 9:12:50 AM PDT by Mercat (The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him and delivers them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would think the kids could be quarantined then. Whatever disease the parents want to gamble with, the general public should not have to.


10 posted on 08/14/2015 9:13:05 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: motor_racer

The minimal risk from vaccines is no greater than the risk the kid takes by walking out the door of their house and going anywhere. I would think the mentality that does not want their kid protected from disease also has the opposite fear of germs. Why would they want to send their kid to school?

I would be far more concerned about the indoctrination going on at the schools than about vaccinations happening at the doctor’s office.


11 posted on 08/14/2015 9:18:19 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Personal Responsibility

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/02/05/bombshell-cdc-whistleblower-admitted-covering-mmr-vaccine-links-autism-granted-immunity-will-testify/

There are two ongoing investigations. One into Merck for allegedly fudging the numbers on vaccine effectiveness and one (the link above) into the CDC for fudging the data on possible link between the MMR vax and autism, especially in black boys.

It seems Merck was given an exclusive license to manufacture the MMR vax as long as they could keep the effective rates at or above 95%. Through the years there have been several localized outbreaks in populations that are considered highly vaccinated. Of course, with an excusive license to manufacture a “required” vax on the line, there is potentially some incentive to over-report the effective rate of that vax. I am interested to see what comes out in both these cases.

I tend to agree with Carly on this one. You can’t force someone to take a medical risk, no matter how small it is, that they don’t want to in order to possibly prevent a different medical risk. And if the schools decide to not admit unvaccinated students then so be it. There are alternatives. However, I also think that students who are too sick/allergic to be vaccinated shouldn’t be in public school anyway. So, if they aren’t in the school then it doesn’t matter if, I’ll call them conscientious objectors, are in class. The vaccinated won’t be affected.


12 posted on 08/14/2015 9:21:57 AM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: kevkrom

Makes sense.
No vaccine, no admission to public school.
Not that that would be a bad thing in some areas...


13 posted on 08/14/2015 9:28:43 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: motor_racer

Re: “Why would schools refuse to accept them? The only ones at risk would be the other students who weren’t vaccinated, whose parents have already accepted the risk by choosing not to vaccinate.”

A valid point, however, if the public schools allowed unvaccinated students to enroll, however illogical it may be, I could see the school districts being sued because some kid, vaccinated or not, getting sick for whatever reason, then parents blaming the school district because they allow unvaccinated students to enroll.

Isn’t the military the same way - you have to be vaccinated because close proximity spreads diseases much more quickly, plus the exposure to foreign diseases?

Most civil war deaths among soldiers (3 out of 4) was from sickness/disease. This was not only due to unsanitary conditions, but also because you had thousands of young men thrown together who had never been exposed to many of the communicable diseases that men from the cities had already experienced. There was no such thing as vaccinations yet and so thousands died because they had no anti-bodies built up to resist.


14 posted on 08/14/2015 9:29:37 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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I subscribe to the Herd Immunity hypothesis. Its not the unvacced kids at risk - it is any babies between 0 and 3 months that cannot be vaccinated. Babies are at high risk of death from common viruses. A vaccinated kid might vector a virus home from school and infect their new bro or sis.

The herd immunity concept is hypothetical - there is not sufficient data to call it a theory but it sure makes sense to me.

15 posted on 08/14/2015 9:33:23 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: rusty schucklefurd

In California, Mississippi and West Virginia a child who has missed any of the doses of HepB vaccine will not be allowed to attend school.

In California, Mississippi and West Virginia a child who is ACTIVELY INFECTED with Hepatitis B cannot be refused admission.

Makes perfect sense.../s


16 posted on 08/14/2015 9:35:27 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: motor_racer

In WA state, public school students are required to be vaccinated in order to attend school. (HPV is not required) Parents may choose to be exempt from vaccines but to get the exemption they must meet with a doctor about vaccines before the exemption will be granted. If an outbreak of any illness comes to the school/community, un-vaccinated students and staff will not be allowed to attend school until the outbreak is over.

Not many exemptions at my school anymore since the Doctor meeting requirement came in.


17 posted on 08/14/2015 9:51:43 AM PDT by Baumer (Most areas of Washington are Republican)
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To: Personal Responsibility

So you don’t agree with the right of an informed parent making an educated decision regarding vaccinations?


18 posted on 08/14/2015 9:55:01 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: DH

Wow, I can feel your fear. How did men survive for the last 6 thousand years with vaccines? And what does a vaccinated person have to worry about?


19 posted on 08/14/2015 9:57:18 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: SeekAndFind
a measles outbreak is a pretty clear-cut illustration of this

I suppose this is an off-hand reference to the measles outbreak that happened after the Obama administration allowed thousands of poor, uneducated and sick "children" into this country with no one checking on their health/vaccine status. Soon after, voila, measles outbreaks around the country where these people were seeded.

This had little to do with Americans and their vaccination beliefs and everything to do with an American president overstepping his bounds which caused a measles outbreak, which, I think, took a few lives. (If I am wrong about that, please correct me.)

20 posted on 08/14/2015 9:58:13 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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