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No, Russia Isn’t Building a Giant New Aircraft Carrier
WAR IS BORING ^ | August 12, 2015 | DAVID AXE

Posted on 08/12/2015 6:52:56 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Russian media reported in early 2015 that the Kremlin is preparing blueprints for a huge new aircraft carrier to replace the Russian navy’s current flattop, the relatively small and aged Admiral Kuznetsov.

But Moscow’s new carrier is likely to remain a paper concept. A quarter-century after the Soviet Union’s collapse, Russia lacks the money, expertise and industrial capacity to build aircraft carriers.

A new flattop could boost Russia’s military power by providing air cover to warships sailing far from Russian shores and by giving Moscow another option for launching air strikes on distant enemies — a particular concern for the West as Russia has become more aggressive along its periphery. But the Kremlin has failed to maintain the expensive shipyard facilities and perishable worker skills to actually complete the new vessel any time soon.

The Krylov State Research Center in St. Petersburg, which brainstorms most of Moscow’s warships, is doing the design work for the carrier, according to Russia’s T.V. Vezda. In February 2015, the T.V. network featured a scale model of the new flattop.

Mock-up of Russia’a new proposed carrier. Photo via Business Insider

The model is revealing, however, and underscores the Kremlin’s narrow chance of ever building the warship. Based on the model planes on the scale ship’s deck, the proposed flattop appears to be huge — at least as big as the U.S. Navy’s own nuclear-powered supercarriers, which can exceed 1,000 feet in length.

The United States operates 10 such nuclear carriers — each with an air wing of 60 or more planes — plus 10 smaller, non-nuclear amphibious assault ships that can launch small numbers of vertical-landing Harrier attack planes.

Russia’s Kuznetsov is bigger than the U.S. assault ships but smaller than the nuclear flattops. When jets take off from the deck of Kuznetsov, which isn’t often, they rarely number more than a dozen. The new carrier that Krylov is reportedly developing would represent a significant upgrade.

That’s why Moscow probably can’t build this new ship. When the Soviet Union launched Kuznetsov in 1985, it was a major technical accomplishment for the superpower. Moscow began assembling Varyag, a sister ship of Kuznetsov, around the same time, and also began initial work on a true full-size carrier as big as anything the United States builds.

But the Soviet Union’s collapse in 1991 abruptly halted the carrier program. One emerging problem is logistics. The Krylov design agency is in Russia, but the Soviet Union’s main carrier-building shipyard was actually on the Black Sea in Ukraine, which became an independent country in 1991.

Ukraine scrapped the big carrier then under construction and, in 1998, sold the half-complete Varyag to China. Beijing spent 13 years finishing and upgrading Varyag to turn it into China’s first-ever flattop. The rechristened Liaoning conducts sea trials to help the Chinese navy prepare for future, homebuilt carriers — and also to train a cadre of naval aviators.

Russia was left with Kuznetsov as its sole flattop — and, deprived of funds and Ukraine’s assistance, has struggled to keep the vessel in working condition. Since the ship was commissioning into frontline service in the early 1990s, Kuznetsov has deployed just five times. Each deployment, lasting between three and six months, saw the flattop sail from her home port in northern Russia, around Europe and into the Mediterranean as a show of force and to demonstrate support for Russia’s allies in the region, including Syria.

By contrast, the U.S. Navy deploys its carriers once every two years for cruises lasting between six and nine months. At any given time, the United States has two or three big carriers and an equal number of small carriers on station in the world’s hot spots.

Russia, however, is lucky if its flattop is available for combat for a few months every few years. U.S. carriers have fought in almost all U.S. wars since World War II. Kuznetsov hasn’t launched a single combat sortie.

The carrier is clearly inadequate as a reliable instrument of Russian foreign policy. This says as much about the poor state of Russia’s arms industry, military planning and overall economy as it does about the ship itself. Eager to improve its ability to build reliable flattops, in recent years Moscow undertook two parallel initiatives. Neither worked out as the Kremlin had hoped it would.

First, in 2004, Russia and India struck a deal whereby Moscow would pull a small, Soviet-era carrier — the Admiral Gorshkov — out of mothballs, rebuild it to enhance its ability to support jet fighters and sell it to India to replace one of New Delhi’s aged British-built carriers or flattops.

The roughly $1-billion deal was supposed to be a win-win. India would get a reasonably up-to-date carrier for a fraction of the cost of building a new flattop. (Today a new large U.S. carrier costs as much as $14 billion.) Meanwhile, Russia’s defense industry would gain fresh experience in carrier construction that should prove useful when it came time to replace Kuznetsov.

Admiral Kuznetsov with a British warship shadowing her. Royal Navy photo

But the carrier sale quickly turned into a disaster for both countries. Moscow had underestimated the deficiencies as its main Sevmash shipyard on the White Sea. Costs more than doubled as workers fell behind schedule. Sevmash finally finished the refurbished flattop in late 2013 — five years late.

Then on its maiden voyage from Russia to India, the carrier’s engines broke down — an unsurprising development considering Kuznetsov‘s tarnished record. The Indian deal was supposed to reinvigorate Russian shipbuilding. Instead it only underscored the industry’s weakness.

Russia inked a similar deal with France in 2010 to acquire two French-made assault ships for $2-billion. Russian companies would contribute to the vessels’ construction and, at some later date, might build a few more of the ships on their own.

The Mistral-class vessels can carry only helicopters, not fixed-wing planes. Still, Russian officials hoped that co-producing the ships with France would do what the Indian deal was supposed to — help restore Russia’s ability to construct big warships.

“The purchase of Mistral shipbuilding technology will help Russia to grasp large-capacity shipbuilding,” Russian admiral Vladimir Vysotsky said. “It is important for construction of ships like the future ocean-going class destroyer and later an aircraft carrier.”

But the French program failed in even more dramatic fashion than the Indian effort. Paris suspended the Mistral deal after Russian troops invaded Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula in early 2014. Notably, when Russian troops annexed Crimea, they failed to also seize Kiev’s main shipyards just north of the peninsula — the same yards that had assembled the Soviet carriers, including Kuznetsov.

For at least 11 years Moscow has been trying to restore its ability to build aircraft carriers, but has made little progress. And with the Russian economy in free-fall — owing in large part to sanctions that other countries have imposed over the war in Ukraine, even that modest progress could grind to a halt.

Maj. Gen. Igor Kozhin, the Russian navy’s chief of naval aviation, said a carrier could be ready before 2025. But one expert doubts even that’s possible. “The earliest that Russia could build a new aircraft carrier is 2027,” estimated Dmitry Gorenburg, a research scientist who is an associate at the Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies at Harvard University.

So any concept for a new flattop will, for now, remain just that — a concept.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aircraftcarrier; davidaxe; flattop; russia; warisboring
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1 posted on 08/12/2015 6:52:56 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I heard they were building bombers ..??


2 posted on 08/12/2015 7:00:18 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They can build it as big as they want and as many as they want. They don’t have experience in flight deck operations like our Navy does.


3 posted on 08/12/2015 7:04:02 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Giant New Aircraft Carrier ?

No, it’s a New Giant Aircraft Carrier.


4 posted on 08/12/2015 7:04:09 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The picture of the mockup shows what look like banks of oars in the front of the ship. Galley slaves to add a bit more speed?


5 posted on 08/12/2015 7:04:18 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Even if other nations have stolen copies of plans for American aircraft carriers, actual building and operating them is a whole different story.


6 posted on 08/12/2015 7:04:40 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Why is the Kuznetsov smoking?

Is it on fire?


7 posted on 08/12/2015 7:13:23 PM PDT by W. (Get a rope. Now.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I think we should encourage the Sov, er, Russkis to build the darn thing. That way they can pour even more money into an enormous hole in the water to project power where they don’t need to be and protect sealanes that are not threatened.


8 posted on 08/12/2015 7:15:38 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: W.

LOL, The smoke makes it look like it’s going backwards pretty fast.


9 posted on 08/12/2015 7:17:00 PM PDT by Quick Shot
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To: W.
prolly using green wood...
10 posted on 08/12/2015 7:25:09 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If I’m the Ruskies I’m building tanks and planes....lots of them.


11 posted on 08/12/2015 7:36:11 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Quick Shot; Chode

Har! Or maybe they’re burning rubles...


12 posted on 08/12/2015 7:42:18 PM PDT by W. (Get a rope. Now.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Got some good news and bad news for a you all get an extra ration of rum and Vaseline today bad news is the skipper wants to go water sking in the morning


13 posted on 08/12/2015 7:45:53 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Jeff Head

Ping


14 posted on 08/12/2015 7:49:13 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (MARANATHA)
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To: W.
a distinct possibility
15 posted on 08/12/2015 8:04:33 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Scrambler Bob

Stalin had great plans for superbattleships too—on paper only. I think a big gun cruiser might be good for Russia—and some smaller Drone/Helicopter carriers (like the ones they almost bought from France). As for Ukraine they should have seized the shipyards too.


16 posted on 08/12/2015 8:39:04 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
...and they'll call it the Veliky Obama...


17 posted on 08/12/2015 9:30:31 PM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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To: Daffynition

That would be the coolest home ever.


18 posted on 08/12/2015 10:40:17 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Well, for the Husseins who like *islands* ...it would be the ultimate....unless it was nuclear powered.....it gets gallons to the mile on fossil fuel.


19 posted on 08/13/2015 2:09:51 AM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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To: StoneWall Brigade

This is fan-bou are to go along with a typical Russian prognmostication about their future prowess.

That carrier will neve be built.

1) It’s a STOBAR carrier, meaning it traps landing aircraft on arrestor wires and has a ski-lift to help launch instead of catapults. But if you simply look at it, across the angled deck, it has no avenue for bolters. This is an aircraft that misses all trap wires and then has to “bolt,” or speed off the end of the angled deck. but this ridiculous design does not allow for that. They sho a ski-jump off the end of the angled deck. Ergo...fan-biu art...not a serious design.

2) If the Russians were capable of, willing to, and could afford a 80,000 ton nuclear powered carrier, IMHO, no way would it be STOBAR in the first place. They are severally limited in the number of sorties they can maintain, and in the weight loads their aircraft and take off with. They would build it CATOBAR like ours...meaning Cats and Traps.

No...this is just an exotic looking piece of art work with no real substance.


20 posted on 08/13/2015 8:34:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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