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To: xzins

> Mathematical purity has also been said to be proof of an ordered universe

I believe in God but from a devil’s advocate point of view couldn’t the definition of “order” be a man-made construct based on his observations of symmetry thus the “proof “ of an “ordered” universe would be based on a false premise?


11 posted on 08/11/2015 6:20:23 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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^ meant to add “and patterns”


12 posted on 08/11/2015 6:21:09 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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. . .but from a devil’s advocate point of view couldn’t the definition of “order” be a man-made construct based on his observations of symmetry thus the “proof “ of an “ordered” universe would be based on a false premise?


20 posted on 08/11/2015 6:34:40 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: jsanders2001

“I believe in God but from a devil’s advocate point of view couldn’t the definition of “order” be a man-made construct based on his observations of symmetry thus the “proof “ of an “ordered” universe would be based on a false premise?”

No, we have demonstrated that the universe follows the 2nd law of thermodynamics (entropy). Statistical thermodynamics has shown that entropy is a representation of disorder, and one can’t have disorder without order. So the concepts must be inherent to the universe itself, for we only discover the laws of nature, we do not really author them ourselves.


21 posted on 08/11/2015 6:34:43 AM PDT by Boogieman
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