[xzins]

Mathematical purity has also been said to be proof of an ordered universe

[Fai Mao]

I thought that Anselm was the guy who popularized this argument. Am I wrong?

[windcliff]

ping

[Arthur McGowan]

The ontological argument is invalid, and will always be invalid.

As St. Thomas said: The existence of God is self-evident to God, BUT NOT TO US.

I think it’s remarkable that St. Anselm is famous primarily for an invalid argument for the existence of God, and the monstrous “satisfaction theory.” But I hear he was good to his mother.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Wow, this is interesting. Psalms 2 supports this and the following...

1. the heathen rage (muslims, tribal, nutty liberals, etc.)
2. people imagine a vain thing (normal people)
3. kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder , and cast away their cords from us.

This shows that the leaders and elite of the earth KNOW that the Biblical God IS GOD. But they want to cut the chords.

[riverdawg]

For more information on Gödel I recommend three works that are both enjoyable and fairly approachable: ... and Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Ethernal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter.

I tried to read Hofstader’s book in the early 1980s. It's pretty deep, and I admit I didn't finish it. Reminds me of Hawking's A Brief History of Time in that many people bought it, some people talked about it, but (I suspect) very few people read it all the way through to the end.

[GBA]

Math is the language God uses to write down His Creation and written music is the sound of math singing.

[normbal]

And this “proves” atheists are insane as they continually rail against a belief in a being THEY profess not to believe in. Think about it.

[Carry_Okie]

Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Ethernal Golden Braid by Douglas Hofstadter

I read this to stay sane while in college with something that actually challenged my preferred mode of thinking (a verbal guy in a college with 55% engineers). It is a wonderfully entertaining book, with an enormous logical flaw.

[fella]

Having kept my faith like that of a child I’ve not questioned the Creator’s existence. I do question people who say that we can’t deal with the Creator without going through them and paying a toll.

[mlo]

"GERMAN SCIENTISTS PROVE GÖDEL’S (Mathematical) PROOF FOR GOD’S EXISTENCE IS CORRECT"

Silly. It's not Gödel's proof is not some long standing theorem in need of proof like Fermat's Last Theorem. It hasn't been sitting around waiting for someone to solve it.

The problem with Gödel's theorem isn't solving it, it's that it doesn't mean anything. It's just making up a definition for X, labeling that "God", "proving" X, then saying you've proved "God", even though X wasn't God to start with.

[Democrat_media]

bookmark