Posted on 08/11/2015 4:06:44 AM PDT by expat_panama
Oh yeah, with all those numbers!!!!! Not to worry, I understand how most folks here prefer their feeeeelings.
Cheers!
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>> “I have spent 35 years studying dispensational truth and I do not believe the Bride of Christ is appointed to the wrath of God.” <<
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Let me say that I do not consider that to be ‘truth,’ but confusion.
Satan’s tribulation of the saints is not called “the wrath of God” anywhere in God’s word.
The wrath of God is the bowl judgements that come immediately after Yeshua ends our tribulation by resurrecting us to the wedding feast.
Yeshua promised us that we would indeed be tribulated, and even killed, and said plainly that we were not to be “taken out,” but taken through the events he described.
Reading the letters to the churches one clearly sees a division between the obedient, watching, believers, and the luke-warm non-watchers, the former being protected in the place prepared in the desert, and the latter going through the trib, being tortured and killed for not taking the mark, and some of them experiencing his coming “as a thief.”
“If you will not watch” was his dividing judgement (Rev 3:3)
“Watching” is the study and observance of his appointed times, as exemplified by Yeshua, his apostles, and the first century “church,” described in the Acts, and the epistles.
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(Did anyone hear a chorus of ‘Gulps’ after that post?)
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I think there is a rapture that occurs somewhere during the “falling away of all” moral standards both in many of the churches and the world at large and the revelation of the “beast system” thru to the time of the killing and resurrection of the 2 witnesses. Since Christ said no one knows when his coming would be and that the rest of scripture only points to the general conditions at the time of his coming I didn’t speak of his coming when I made my posting.
The one world currency system and a one world governing body may well be in operation for some time, even a decade or two before the rest of the excrement hits the fan (with increasing pressures on resistant populations to “conform” to it). Meanwhile, increasing moral darkness, wars, earthquakes,disasters will all press in on us with increasing frequency until the Beast, false prophet and Beast Image arise and the final gantlets are thrown down! At some point in all that...the rapture!
I have often wondered that when the witnesses are killed then resurrected, the rest of the dead in Christ will then be raised, then those of the saints yet alive on the Earth...but that is my own speculation.
“When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.”
Just for reference!
Even he would know that his riches fritter away to nothing should the “financial asteroid” hit the world economies!
Krogers here in Richmond was about 2.79...A GALLON!
Nice!
I can certainly get a better per ounce price by buying milk in larger containers - but I would pour most of it down the drain. Dietary restrictions limit my milk consumption to about a pint/week so the quart size works for me.
Yes, that is the passage that best demolishes any idea of a “pre-trib” rapture.
“those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus” would be the very people that the dispys strive to have removed before Satan is cast down to Earth.
Makes no sense at all, especially in light of Revelation 20, where only those resurrected at the last trump are said to be “blessed,” and not subject to the second death.
Hopefully the internet will educate those who are getting disinformation in church.
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>> Even he would know that his riches fritter away to nothing should the “financial asteroid” hit the world economies! <<
He appears to think that precious metals and “fine art” will pull his fat out of the fire.
Wishful thinking.
I view the rapture as occurring at an unknown time in the midst of the known occurrences to unfold prior to the events leading to the setting up of Christ’s kingdom. Matthew 24 points to an ingathering of saints. Job speaks of seeing God “in his own skin” despite the fact that he had died” in the “latter days”. We also know that the final 7 years is actually cut shorter which means that while we have the scenario laid out, God in the end will bring the whole process to a halt “lest no life should be saved”! Paul speaks of the ‘dead in Christ arising first and then those that remain alive will be caught up to meet with him in the air’.
In short....no one knows the exact time of His coming for his saints, we just know that they are caught up at some point...the dead first and then the remaining living!
IT COULD BE TODAY! The rascals may have the whole Beast System apparatus ready to go just as soon as the “spiritual atmospherics(as occultists may describe it)” allow them to move to take control....then the 70th week begins in earnest. In short...the last trump may be blowing now with the “mop up” action taking 7 years (minus what ever time God cuts short)....
I’m not pre-trib... I’m “trans trib” rapture...meaning it will happen at some point across that period! So we should prepare to stand strong and die or be imprisoned for our faith...but know that He is coming, sooner or later than we may expect!
This is exactly what Paul told the Thessalonians. The man of sin has to be revealed before anyone can be resurrected.
Every event in YHVH’s plan occurs on one of his Appointed Times.
Nothing is secret; everything is revealed.
Every one of his obedient disciples should know that he will gather us at Tishri 1, the end of the trib. That is what ends the trib
The only thing that could have been called secret was the crucifixion, which was kept from Satan because he would have prevented it if he understood its result.
Yeshua’s return was never imminent. That is 19th century foolishness by Darby.
The event that begins the 70th week is Satan's ejection from the presence before the Father, when he is cast down to Earth. The man of sin is revealed at the midpoint of the 70th week, which begins the trib.
At that point no one on Earth should be unaware of when Yeshua returns, because it is the new moon, 42 months after Antichrist does his abomination.
These things are all well laid out in the scriptures, both by Paul, and by John.
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>> “So we should prepare to stand strong and die or be imprisoned for our faith” <<
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Not if you are obedient to his Torah, and study and keep his Appointed times!
We will be taken to that place in the desert. He explained it in his letter to the Philadelphian church.
He keeps his promises.
Those that dismiss Matthew Ch 5 will likely experience what you said, and it will be up to them to figure it out. That is what happens to those that disbelieve the word.
I think Christians will be experiencing a lot of trouble even prior to the scenario you describe. The attacks are already accelerating!
Of course, he said that it would begin when he ascended, and it did.
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