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Raising interest rates with zero inflation is a hard sell
Yahoo Finance ^ | Wed, Aug 5, 2015 | Mike Dolan

Posted on 08/05/2015 6:10:02 AM PDT by expat_panama

LONDON (Reuters) - Americans and Britons bracing for their first interest rate rises in almost a decade are puzzled: why are rates about to go up when there's no inflation?

Both the Federal Reserve and Bank of England are proclaiming that they are on the cusp of raising interest rates for the first time in almost a decade. It may take a few months, but the message they are sending still heavily-indebted households either side of the Atlantic is clear: 'be warned'.

It's not hard to see why near-zero interest rates should be 'normalized' when you do a quick economic health check.

After years in the post-credit crisis doldrums, both economies are now growing at brisk annual clips of between 2 and 3 percent. Jobless rates are near long-term averages of less than 6 percent. Real estate and financial asset prices have raced higher over the past couple of years.

The problem is that annual consumer price inflation rates are zero in Britain and just 0.1 percent stateside, far below the 2 percent consumer price growth targets both have committed to in one form or another as a policy guide.

Even the Fed's favored inflation measure - the index of personal consumption expenditures (PCE) - is running as low as an annual 0.3 percent.

The policy mantra for much of the year has been that headline inflation was artificially depressed by the collapse of energy and raw materials prices in late 2014. Once these stabilized - as they did through the spring - then the assumption was these base effects would wash out of CPI indexes and reveal far livelier 'core', largely domestically driven, price rises pushing headline inflation back toward its target.

In other words, central banks would face down what they saw as a temporary drop...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; fed; inflation; interestrates; investing
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This is where we hear from all the gold vendors screaming that we know we got plenty of inflation because shadowstats says so and on top of that we're always spending to much on stuff...
1 posted on 08/05/2015 6:10:02 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

We have significant inflation. Also: there isn’t going to be a meaningful rate hike.

No inflation? That’s Yahoo ‘news’ for you.


2 posted on 08/05/2015 6:13:36 AM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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To: expat_panama
why are rates about to go up when there's no inflation?

Someone has been living with his head up his rear. No inflation? Compare the register tapes of today from those a year ago, 2 years ago, 5 years ago.

Inflation or prices increases abound.

Where prices have not risen on many products, product reduction has occurred. The size/weight has decreased while the price stayed the same.


3 posted on 08/05/2015 6:14:55 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: 1010RD; A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ..

Huh.  S&P posted another distribution day yesterday (down a couple tenths in slightly higher volume) bringing its count up to 7.  Metals continue sagging and today's futures see more sagging metals (-0.22%) but with soaring stocks (+0.79%!!!!).   On top of that ---

7:00 AM MBA Mortgage Index
8:15 AM ADP Employment Change
8:30 AM Trade Balance
10:00 AM ISM Services
10:30 AM Crude Inventories
 


4 posted on 08/05/2015 6:16:20 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
I don't pay any attention to gold prices. But I do pay attention to grocery prices - and the idea that we're not seeing inflation is laughable.

Economists Say Inflation Is Tame; Consumers Aren't Buying It

5 posted on 08/05/2015 6:16:59 AM PDT by jdege
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To: agere_contra

Gas prices HAVE gone down, but grocery prices are way up. And I’ll bet Americans spend a lot more on groceries than gas. And, of course, rents & property taxes continue to increase.


6 posted on 08/05/2015 6:21:39 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: TomGuy; agere_contra
Inflation or prices increases abound.

We have significant inflation.

Right.  No hard numbers for general prices but plenty of feeeelings.  In the mean time the Fed's prime mandate is stable prices, and a rate hike on top of zilch measured general prices is (like the article says) is friggin' hard to explain.

7 posted on 08/05/2015 6:21:48 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Take a walk past the beef section of the supermarket. That’s about all I can afford to do, is walk past it.


8 posted on 08/05/2015 6:24:47 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: expat_panama

“...Why are rates about to go up when there’s no inflation?”

HA! One of those lies along the lines of, ‘I’ll ALWAYS be faithful to you, Darling!” or, “No, those jeans don’t make your butt look big,” LOL!

No inflation? Yep. Sure. Whatever. ;)


9 posted on 08/05/2015 6:26:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: expat_panama

when there’s no inflation?

Yahoo still having elementary school kids writing their financial articles I see.


10 posted on 08/05/2015 6:26:26 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: expat_panama
Does anyone believe that inflation is at or near zero? Not me.

All that is happening is that the CPI gets "refined" each year to discover "greater value" in products that are rising in price.

How this applies to Hershey bar I'm at a loss to explain. But it works for iPhones, internet connections, automobiles and such.

And, if you actually go to restaurants or grocery stores you know the zero inflation story is total crap.

11 posted on 08/05/2015 6:27:26 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: TomGuy
Inflation or prices increases abound.

Where prices have not risen on many products, product reduction has occurred. The size/weight has decreased while the price stayed the same.

Exactly. Things are a LOT more expensive than before. They just make up statistics to suit them, don't they?

12 posted on 08/05/2015 6:32:13 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rbg81

The main thing I see is the price of groceries going up. Gas is down and in our area property taxes are down and just went down again. The price of real estate is cheap.

I think we are in a deflationary cycle. With 7 years of stimulous stimulous stimulous, print, print, print we should be in hyper inflation by now. We are not.

If they raise rates watch the stock market tank. Then they will have to lower again. I’ll be shocked if the Fed actually does it.


13 posted on 08/05/2015 6:34:10 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: InterceptPoint

Your personal inflation is not reported in the manupulated govt numbers. If you are a stock purchaser, prices have risen dramatically.


14 posted on 08/05/2015 6:37:10 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current device...)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Gas is up from its low in 2007-2009.


15 posted on 08/05/2015 6:38:31 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current device...)
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To: expat_panama

Anyone who believes there is no inflation haven’t watched their utility or grocery bills for the last 7 years, live in their parents basement or are so rich that they have “people” to take care of that for them.


16 posted on 08/05/2015 6:39:09 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Paladin2

Yes but at $2.33 in Atlanta its not prohibitive.

If the Fed raises rates look for the small housing market to die. Look for the stock market to slide. It will all be bad.

Not to mention wait til the end of the month when they have to revise the 2.3% GDP back to something like .05%.


17 posted on 08/05/2015 6:45:54 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: agere_contra

The price of wide screen TV’s has been in free fall for years. The same goes for fashion apparel. And natural gas. And on and on.


18 posted on 08/05/2015 6:46:43 AM PDT by Cry if I Wanna
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The Denver housing market is booming especially as rents rise.


19 posted on 08/05/2015 6:49:24 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current device...)
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To: TomGuy

Have you bought a half gallon of Breyer’s Vanilla ice cream lately?
The price is the same but the container is no longer a half gallon size. Guess which way the container volume went - smaller or larger? See, that was easy wasn’t it.


20 posted on 08/05/2015 6:49:54 AM PDT by Lake Living
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