[wiggen]

i know its red meat to some on here but there was a time unions were needed. Now i would state they’re needed in places like China but no longer here.
Once upon a time they served a noble purpose but they’ve outlived that and have morphed into, as most organizations if not all do, self serving, self perpetuating machines.

[GOPJ]

Martin Buber - when asked if power was evil said that power was necessary to achieve good. It only became corrupted when the initial goal was achieved but those who wielded the power wanted to keep it for it's own sake.

I agree with everything you wiggen... up to and including that Chinese workers need unions....