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Video MI28 Night Hunter helicopter crash at the site Dubrovich
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Posted on 08/02/2015 6:42:12 PM PDT by Crystal Palace East

See video at link

Obvious tail rotor failure.

Watch closely at :07. Looks like flare fails to fully eject near starboard forward area of a/c. Possibly then hit tail rotor.


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1 posted on 08/02/2015 6:42:12 PM PDT by Crystal Palace East
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To: Crystal Palace East

One survivor.

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150802/1025328812.html


2 posted on 08/02/2015 6:56:07 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

At 1:02 of link you posted, you can see other crewman escaping a/c!!!!!!

INCREDIBLE VIDEO.


3 posted on 08/02/2015 7:00:44 PM PDT by Crystal Palace East ("We Must All Hang Together, or Assuredly We Will All Hang Separately" B. Franklin)
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To: Crystal Palace East

he was definitely falling out of the sky fast, didn’t appear to attempt to cushion the impact.w


4 posted on 08/02/2015 7:40:11 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Crystal Palace East

Brave men. They tried to control it all the way to the ground. Avoid hitting the civilians on the ground.


5 posted on 08/02/2015 7:41:11 PM PDT by null and void (If the government can't protect the Marines, how can we expect it to protect us?)
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To: USNBandit

Can you turn up power on the engine w/o a tail rotor?


6 posted on 08/02/2015 7:41:35 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: USNBandit

I saw it differently.


7 posted on 08/02/2015 7:41:45 PM PDT by null and void (If the government can't protect the Marines, how can we expect it to protect us?)
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To: cynwoody

Unreal video


8 posted on 08/02/2015 7:55:16 PM PDT by HonkyTonkMan
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To: USNBandit

Actually this was a pretty well-controlled crash. Not much you can do but yank on the collective to slow the fall and try to keep it level with the cyclic.


9 posted on 08/02/2015 8:01:06 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Not a good idea. Autorotation flare is proper procedure


10 posted on 08/02/2015 8:22:55 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: Crystal Palace East

Later


11 posted on 08/02/2015 10:03:00 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The key to survival in case of loss of tail rotor thrust is airspeed. If you have sufficient airspeed then either a running landing or autorotation is possible.

This A/C appears to have lost airspeed while performing that aerobatic maneuver. Adding collective pitch would have increased torque spin & further loss of control.

They probably tried to pull all the pitch they had left prior to impact. Sad situation.


12 posted on 08/03/2015 2:31:00 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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Autorotations I’ve been in the pilot dropped the nose to build forward airspeed then flare close to the ground .....or .....slide in fixed wing style on the skids etc.. Didn’t look like this pilot had the altitude to try either..


13 posted on 08/03/2015 6:59:41 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: lavaroise

How do you flare with no airspeed?


14 posted on 08/03/2015 7:17:49 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
If you applied engine power, without a tail rotor the spin would increase. The need for a tail rotor is caused by the torque applied by the engine to the main rotor. In an autorotative state the torque is negligible. In autorotation the rotor system is driven by airflow upward through the rotor system and one still has collective authority to increase the pitch of the blades prior to touchdown without using engine torque.

In this case an out of ground effect hover has the highest anti-torque requirement. The high performance maneuver would most likely add to that.

The interesting thing I saw was just prior to the loss of control you see the aircraft rotate slightly nose right and stop then begin nose left rotation that never stops. I don't know if there was a failure right at that point or whether he ran out of right pedal. Once the rotation starts you need a lot more anti-torque because you are dealing with not only the current torque requirement, but also the rate that has already built up. Almost all bad things in helicopters are first countered by reducing collective. Reducing collective reduces torque to the rotor system, thereby giving more pedal authority.

In this instance the best chance of stopping the yaw rate would have been to dump the collective and pitch the nose down to attempt to fly out of it. Hard to tell the max altitude, but that might not have been successful either. a tail rotor malfunction (if that's what it was) in forward flight sucks, but would most likely still be recoverable.

15 posted on 08/03/2015 7:49:14 AM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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