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Diagnosing the World's Economic Malaise
Investors Busniness Daily ^ | 07/29/2015 | ROBERT J. SAMUELSON

Posted on 07/30/2015 3:34:09 AM PDT by expat_panama

To understand the economy, you've got to resort to psychology. Throughout the recovery, forecasters — including those at the Federal Reserve and the International Monetary Fund — have repeatedly overestimated the economy's strength. They've predicted faster economic growth than has occurred.

The main reason for the errors, I have argued, is that the forecasters have underestimated the influence of the financial crisis and Great Recession on people's confidence. Lower confidence reduced Americans' willingness to spend. My argument has applied to the United States. Some new figures now suggest that the same phenomenon operates globally.

The figures come from the Pew Research Center, which interviewed 45,435 adults in 40 countries about their economic outlook. Almost seven years after Lehman's collapse, attitudes remain remarkably downbeat.

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What we have is a global funk. It's a hangover from the financial crisis and Great Recession, not gloom so much as worry and restraint. Because the economic damage — lost jobs, lower profits, foreclosed mortgages, depressed trade — exceeded anything experienced since the Great Depression, people now prepare for the unknown more than before. In practice, they save more and spend less.

The shifting psychology confounds economic models, based (as most are) on earlier business cycles. Instead of a vigorous recovery, we get the opposite.

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The Pew data convince me that this vicious circle, long at work in the United States, has its international counterpart.

Of course, countries' feeble confidence also reflects local circumstances. Only 13% of Brazilians rate their economy good; the causes surely include high inflation and a host of scandals that have rocked the country.

By contrast, confidence in China remains high (90% rate the economy good), even though growth has recently slowed. One possible explanation is that the Chinese still give more weight to past experience.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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Maybe someone else will have a different take on Sanuelson's rant, but what I'm getting is that we really ought to be happy but Americans are wrong and even after seven years it's still all Bush's fault. That said, the Pew data are interesting...
1 posted on 07/30/2015 3:34:10 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Socialism does not work...thump...socialism does not work...thump...socialism does not work...thump...socialism does not work..


2 posted on 07/30/2015 3:43:42 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("Keeping your stick down used to be a commandment, but not anymore" Harry Sinden, 1988)
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To: 1010RD; A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ..

 

 

Well it's a lovely morning w/ stock indexes peaking back up over their moving averages while gold'n'silver hang on at $1,087.05 and $14.72.  Sure, futures have stocks going off -0.20% and metals -0.27% but this has been moving up'n'down and today's "claims day":

8:30 AM Initial Claims
8:30 AM Continuing Claims
8:30 AM GDP-Adv.
8:30 AM Chain Deflator-Adv.
10:30 AM Natural Gas Inventories
 


3 posted on 07/30/2015 3:44:32 AM PDT by expat_panama (I)
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To: expat_panama

We, as a world, have spent our future. That’s what has happened and nobody is willing to stop spending to allow the situation to rectify.


4 posted on 07/30/2015 3:45:26 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: OttawaFreeper
Socialism does not work.

Maybe not w/ you & me but look how much happier the Chinese are than the Japanese.

5 posted on 07/30/2015 3:46:58 AM PDT by expat_panama (I)
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To: expat_panama

Could also have something to do with entirely fake unemployment and inflation numbers... Important things like food and energy are much more expensive while income is the same or lower... And then there’s healthcare which is also much more expensive for the people who actually pay their way. And then there’s taxes... Endless taxes...

No, forget all that, its all in my mind... Be happy... And poor...


6 posted on 07/30/2015 3:47:04 AM PDT by DB
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To: Jonty30

...and that WILDLY out of control government spending the world over is called “austerity.”


7 posted on 07/30/2015 3:49:25 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: expat_panama

In China everything the people read, even on the internet, is controlled by propagandists. Therefore, they see their economy through rose colored propaganda. They have a favorable view as there is nothing on which to base any other view.

It’s like the lottery. People buy lottery tickets because they have seen interviews with lottery winners. But do just a 30 second interview with all the losers, run them continuously 24/7 and for most big lotteries they would run almost a decade. People still buy lottery tickets, because they have almost no competing information describing the whole picture.

The freer the information, the more negative the view respondents will have about the economy. Too much money printed. Too much crony capitalism. Too much debt. That’s almost universal and world-wide.


8 posted on 07/30/2015 3:49:51 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: OttawaFreeper

Communism... thump... communism... thump...


9 posted on 07/30/2015 3:51:03 AM PDT by exnavy (Common sense seems to be uncommon these days.)
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To: expat_panama

Diagnosing the World’s economic malaise. It’s pretty easy to diagonse, for too many years governments around the world have been spending more than they take in, in taxes. That will definitely cause a malaise.


10 posted on 07/30/2015 4:03:31 AM PDT by EvilCapitalist (1 of 172)
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To: DB
To sum up the point you've made:

People simply can't afford the standard of living they've come to expect.

Taxation is a perfect example of this. Nobody wants to pay taxes, but everyone sees taxpayer-funded entitlements as a God-given right. That's how you end up with a country that is $18 trillion in debt.

11 posted on 07/30/2015 4:04:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: expat_panama

GloBULLism and secret “Free Trade” agreements that “displace” US workers onto welfare does not work.


12 posted on 07/30/2015 4:09:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Off shoring manufacturing is a disaster for any country.

Factories are very important because it gets your less inclined peoples ( < 100 IQ ) to actually create wealth! Shipping, warehousing and retailing does not create wealth.

There are only there ways to create wealth; mine it, make it or grow it. The "make it" is manufacturing....

13 posted on 07/30/2015 4:13:57 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: expat_panama
Decades in the making and no "magic wand" to right-the-ship.

The adult stewardship of and accountability for what was earned to be passed on to future generations ain't no more.

Pick an area, any area, better today then decades ago?

Adults would, when in a hole, stop digging.

Just not so today. And the monies spent delivered what?

Words are not actions and actions are not results.

And, remember, you never get the time back!

14 posted on 07/30/2015 4:24:48 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: central_va
Good point, except that manufacturing doesn't create wealth for those "less inclined peoples" anymore. If every manufacturer in the world moved their operations back to the U.S. tomorrow, they'd have very few of these people working for them anyway.

The number of people in the U.S. who have lost their jobs due to outsourcing in the manufacturing sector is dwarfed by those who lost their jobs to automation.

15 posted on 07/30/2015 4:27:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Alberta's Child

The myth is automated factories don’t support employment. First of all, the robo factory still need sustenance and maintenance and in a national emergency, i.e. war, we can convert that factory to munitions or some other strategic use.


16 posted on 07/30/2015 4:31:26 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I think you’re looking at this based on a reality that hasn’t existed in decades. When was the last time the U.S. government ever needed to convert factories to mass-produce munitions, or take control of entire subsectors of the transportation industry to deliver ammunition supplies?


17 posted on 07/30/2015 4:48:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Alberta's Child
Wow this is the attitude right before WWII.

OK the purpose of off shoring is to avoid paying wages to American workers. Off shoring is a pain in the ass, you have to deal with complex transportation and corruption. So what is the point of off shoring a robo factory to the turd word then? Answer there is no reason at all.

Free Traitors better hope there is not another major world war because you guys are going to pay for this traitorous policy with perhaps your neck.

If we get in a shooting war with China/Russia then Free Trade dies that day, a good thing to come of something horrible.

18 posted on 07/30/2015 5:01:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Like I said ... that reality hasn't existed in decades. You're going back to a time when the U.S. fought major military campaigns with 12 million people -- 10% of our population at the time -- enlisted in the armed forces.

The U.S. will never do that again. Nor will any other modern nation. For one thing, nobody can afford it. Secondly, it will be politically impossible to do this (I have no doubt in my mind that politicians will be assassinated in large numbers if the U.S. government ever tries to institute a draft again). And warfare has become just as automated as anything else in life.

Any "shooting war with China/Russia" is likely to last hours or days, which means the whole idea of converting factories for other uses is silly.

19 posted on 07/30/2015 5:10:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Alberta's Child
The U.S. will never do that again. Nor will any other modern nation.

You had better hope so.

20 posted on 07/30/2015 5:11:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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