DONALD TRUMP ENDORSES AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS [DISAPPOINTING, BUT NOT SURPRISING]

Frontpage Mag ^ | 07/26/2015 | Daniel Greenfield

[Hostage]

Trump is not a liar. He’s a deal artist. He will get behind market solutions to healthcare when he’s convinced by the industry that they can do a better job and they can. But he wants to see everyone have access to healthcare. That is feasible, it can be done and it doesn’t take universal healthcare to do it.

Romney is a liar. He shows up in one place says something, shows up in another place and says the opposite. When he’s caught in a lie he changes the subject or tries to worm his way out with some sort of half-ass explanation.

Romney is 100% establishment. He will be there to make sure the fat cats get the best of everything and everyone else will just have to take it; haves and have nots, that’s his MO, etc.

[BobL]

I’m glad Walker’s views on Amnesty have ‘evolved’, to use his own words - but then so did McCain, until he lost in 2008 - then he ‘de-evolved’. So forgive me if I don’t trust him much more than Rubio.

I don’t think that Trump ever had the history of supporting Bush’s disastrous Amnesty plan the way Walker did.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/6/scott-walker-reverses-amnesty-support-in-bid-to-wo/?page=all

[kabar]

Well, seriously, what can you do? You can’t send back all 30,000,000. I would hope though, at some point, someone would say if they’ve been here and established their life, have a job, a house, a family then let them stay.

The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, and Arizona proving that it does.

Heritage has estimated that if we just have 12 million lawbreakers, the costs to the taxpayers of amnesty will be $6.3 trillion.

But they should have to meet the same requirements of those who come legally and within a reasonable timeframe.

Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are 4 million intending immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally. They have gone thru all the paperwork including background investigations and physicals. Why should those who entered illegally be placed at the head of the line and be allowed to stay and work here, the object of their crime. How fair is that?

[kabar]

We need a high walls and wide gate. (Feb 2014)

Wide gate. We already take in more legal permanent immigrants a year--more than the rest of the world combined. 1.1 million a year and the Census Bureau estimates that the number in 2015 will be 1.24 million. We are bringing more workers while we have the lowest labor participation rates in 38 years. How many jobs must we create just to keep up with the immigrant flow. We have a surplus of labor.

[RitaOK]

I AM on the Trump train. Just as long as Trump is useful for leading the battle against the Obama Transformation of the US by Illegal Invasion, I will stay on it.

Trump is different in that he is unafraid of the word “deportation”.

Illegal immigration is a VERY big deal. Trump is blasting apart the politically correct hankie holding discussions and it matters. A LOT!

[kabar]

John McCain said that we must deport the 2 million criminal aliens immediately while defending his amnesty bill.

[GeronL]

Not one bit surprising

[Norseman]

>> I would agree on Walker if he weren’t quietly promising Amnesty to big money....<<

Amnesty in some form is going to happen. By that I mean that all 10, 20, 30 or 35 million (whatever it turns out to be) aren’t going to be deported, and many of them are actually going to be granted some form of legal status.

However, I very much doubt that Walker is the sort to put them ahead of those who’ve waited in line patiently to become citizens. And the business community was appalled when he said American wage levels need to be considered even when setting LEGAL immigration levels. He’s right on that, but many economists look at the whole pie, not the individual wage, and claim that the whole pie will grow faster with faster labor growth.

That’s true, perhaps, but Walker realizes that wages might not grow at all under such an approach and that the effect on not only GDP, but particularly wages, needs to be considered. Note that this approach will also appeal to Hispanics who are already here legally. Their wages fall too when an illegal is willing to work for less.

For these reasons, I think Walker has settled on the best policy. Implicit in what he says is that the border must be enforced and visas provisions must be enforced as well, or it becomes a meaningless policy and Walker hasn’t been one who’s all talk, no action. In fact, he’s been a more action, less talk sort as a Governor. He didn’t campaign on Act 10, for example, but once he decided upon it, he just did it because it met policy needs he’s already expressed.

[kabar]

"I am unequivocally opposed to amnesty." ~Ted Cruz

Clintonian. Cruz defines amnesty as a path to citizenship, which he opposes. However, he supports legalization of the lawbreakers, which is amnesty by definition. Allowing the lawbreakers to stay and work here is amnesty.

[kabar]

None are going to herd every illegal out of the country by train, plane and automobile. They’re just not. Especially those who know no other country but this one.

The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works.

[Norseman]

>>Trump is not a liar.<<

If you re-read my post, you’ll see that I didn’t call him a liar, nor did I call Romney a liar.

Both change positions on a regular basis, however. I can see a 20 year old thinking differently as a 30 year old, but a 50 year old man should know where he stands on public policy and shouldn’t be taking the opposite position several years later, but Trump has done that repeatedly.

Hell, he’s even changed party affiliation several times since he was 50 years old. He’s not a serious person when it comes to public policy. Anyone who can convince themselves that he is serious have been deluding themselves, as many are now learning. Others will learn in time, because this is going to keep happening.

We’ve had enough narcissism in the presidency for this century. We don’t need more, and Trump has a graduate degree in narcissism.

[JohnBrowdie]

You and about 4 other here keep suggesting every two days Trump has nuked his candidacy, but his numbers continue to go up. That must be painful for ya.☺

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please don't misunderstand. the nuclear blast was a metaphor for what was about to happen to this thread, not trump's campaign. ;)

[kabar]

40% of the illegals came here legally and overstayed their visas. Securing the border only solves part of the problem. We have 50 million visitors who come to the US annually. We need a system to track and deport visa overstays.

[kabar]

We need candidates who defend the Rule of Law. Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. Immigration to America is a privilege, not a right.

[Norseman]

>>Trump is different in that he is unafraid of the word “deportation”.<<

If saying the word “deportation” will get him more coverage, he’ll say it. That’s the exact problem with the Trump train. It’s populated mostly by people who are hearing what they want to hear said, finally, but Trump is not serious. If he were serious, his positions wouldn’t keep evolving and he’d have been able to decide by age 50 what he stood for. Instead, he switches party affiliation a couple times a decade. That’s just nonsense, but hey, he’s saying what people want to hear.

The fact that he has a track record of saying the opposite on many issues, and no track record at all in politics where he’d actually have to implement what he last said seems not to concern a lot of people, but it should.

[Kenny]

In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship.

You're right on all counts but what are the other choices and alternatives?

[entropy12]

I am fully aware of that part of illegals who arrive legally on jet planes through airports.

I have always said, the most effective and cheapest method of making illegals disappear is to make it easy to prosecute CEO’s whose outfits employ illegals. Not the outfit, but the person. You can’t jail the outfit. But you can jail the CEO. That would be extremely effective.

[Norseman]

>>the nuclear blast was a metaphor for what was about to happen to this thread, not trump’s campaign.<<

Not what you intended, perhaps, but it might well be a metaphor for what’s going to happen to his campaign. Note the distress in this thread of many who are now mightily confused about where Trump stands on an issue they consider important. There’s a whole lot of rationalizing going on....not a good sign.

[kabar]

I would lay 10 to one odds that the system of tracking you want is already in place, and I say that without any particular knowledge of the system.

The US-VISIT system was authorized but never implemented in 1996. We really do lose track of people when we try to process entry visas versus exit visas. There are also about 30 countries under the visa wavier program. And we have issued around 4 million border crossing cards (BCC) to Mexicans who can come and go as they please within a certain limitation on how far inside the US they can travel.

Internal enforcement has been virtually stopped under Obama and Bush 43 was the worst until Obama came along. There is also very little cooperation by colleges with ICE. At any one time there are over 900,000 foreign students attending US colleges. Many of these students just disappear.

[kabar]

Agree. He is great on immigration, but a lousy candidate.