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Does Opposing Same-Sex Marriage Risk Violating the Constitution's Establishment Clause?
National Review ^ | 07/17/2015 | David French

Posted on 07/17/2015 8:31:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: constitution; establishmentclause; gaymarriage; gaystapo; homosexualagenda; samesexmarriage

1 posted on 07/17/2015 8:31:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
in a country whose constitution separates church from state

What country would that be?

2 posted on 07/17/2015 8:33:50 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: SeekAndFind

All children have a mother and a father.

Because of this biological fact, the state may prefer that children are raised by both a mother and a father and should be free to provide incentives to do so.

One of those incentives... used to be called marriage.


3 posted on 07/17/2015 8:33:55 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The old “you can’t legislate morality” argument. But we do it all the time. It is immoral to rob, rape, or murder and there are laws against it.


4 posted on 07/17/2015 8:41:30 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (INTOLERANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Leviticus 18:22 - "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Biologically, homosexuals cannot reproduce, and are barren ("desolate").

We have just seen the Left redefine marriage to include sodomites - an institution known as "holy matrimony", a holy place in the Christian faith.

So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel — let the reader understand.
Matt. 24:15

5 posted on 07/17/2015 8:42:04 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: rwilson99

children=future taxpayers=necessary for the general welfare of the state.

therefore...

homosexuals can not naturally sustain the state.


6 posted on 07/17/2015 8:42:14 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: SeekAndFind

So, if a society decides murder is ok, then it should be ok.

Hello, Nazi Germany!

Hey, we’ve already done that with abortion. So the next step isn’t that huge.........

Only this time it won’t be the Jews. It will be the Christians.


7 posted on 07/17/2015 8:43:16 AM PDT by Arlis ( A "Sacred Cow" Tipping Christian)
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To: Rodamala

So that’s all children are. Future taxpayers. Right. /rolleyes


8 posted on 07/17/2015 8:46:38 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The old “you can’t legislate morality” argument. But we do it all the time. It is immoral to rob, rape, or murder and there are laws against it.

Every law is someone's morality. It's OK for the left to legislate their morality, but no one else can.

Another thought: If Belief is a religion isn't Unbelief also a religion? Liberals worship the creation, not the Creator.

The Belief/Unbelief quandry can be illustrated in comparing some Christian sects "beliefs". Some believe baptism requires full immersion in the water, others don't believe that (Unbelief) but instead believe sprinkling is good enough. Both positions are considered religions. Atheism is a religion of Unblief (in some things), and Belief in others. But according to Atheists only THEIR religion can be seen in the public square.

9 posted on 07/17/2015 8:51:27 AM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Old Sarge

“We have just seen the Left redefine marriage to include sodomites - an institution known as “holy matrimony”, a holy place in the Christian faith.”

Maybe for those that get their definition of marriage by whatever the state happens to think about it at any one time. But to many it hasn’t had it right for centuries, for many more since no-fault divorce. Now it is ‘gay marriage.’ In the coming years it will no doubt be some other impossibility based on whatever judges, pols, or the voting public happen to think about it then.

Freegards


10 posted on 07/17/2015 8:56:19 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: SeekAndFind

No law on earth can grant “dignity” to men who put their privates in the anal opening of other men, and all the accompanying practices.


11 posted on 07/17/2015 9:02:19 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s all too confusing for me. They say I can’t be against sodomy and infanticide. I not allowed to think transsexuals just have a mental problem.

Perhaps we need a government agency to publish a list of acceptable beliefs to keep us from getting into trouble with our enlightened masters.


12 posted on 07/17/2015 9:12:22 AM PDT by GMMC0987
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To: GMMC0987

Ministry of Truth?


13 posted on 07/17/2015 9:22:29 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: GMMC0987

I had to file a sexual harassment suit against a transgender / mentally ill man who was harassing me at work.
It asked me to go on girls’ only lunches, which I refused, drinks, which I refused. It followed me to lunch in the cafeteria, seeking acceptance and validation that I didn’t want to give. I finally told it, I can’t tell you what you can’t do, but my brother would be recommended counseling if he decided he was my sister.
It would lecture me on not dressing femininely, on my gestures and body language, my not bothering to wear makeup most days. With a full time job and 2 preschoolers at the time, I considered it an accomplishment to simply be there are do my job. I had to share the bathroom with it, while it admitted it was still attracted to women.
I couldn’t avoid it per se, because it was a system administrator while I was the only woman working on the help desk. I started using different bathrooms in the building to preserve my privacy.
It confronted me in my cube one day, demanding to know what made me more of a woman than it, since chromosomes don’t matter and it was more feminine than me. I replied, “I gave birth twice.”
It proceeded to interfere with my work, such as giving my escalated tickets lowest priority, while giving graphic details of the sex change surgery and all the effort it went through to become a woman. I spoke with HR, two managers, no avail. They told me to deal with it, why not have lunch with it, could I avoid it? The manager who told me to have a coming to Jesus meeting between the girls several times was frustrating to say the least. I didn’t have to be its friend, but when users are calling me on server problems it won’t fix until the end of the day, dinging my stats, customers suffer for the petty cattiness. My boss only talked to it when we had a PDM system outage, it wouldn’t restart the services, told me to do it myself, I asked what the right procedure was, then followed procedure right, rebooting the wrong server. Instead of one system down, they got calls on two, and I was reamed despite saying that I tried getting the admin’s advice and followed admin’s instructions.
Finally filed the sexual harassment claim through ethics office when it came in while I had lunch in my cube and proceeded to talk for 20 minutes about neo-vagina construction. That, ethics and HR agreed, was out of line. Then they talked to it, and roles and responsibilities were shifted.

Transgenders are mentally ill, and they seek validation of that mental illness from women in every possible way, to extremes women wouldn’t tolerate from other women.


14 posted on 07/17/2015 9:39:11 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: rwilson99
All children have a mother and a father.

And conversely, Nature (and Nature's God) only gives children to men and women together. Sodomites can never come to terms with this indelible fact.

15 posted on 07/17/2015 3:29:45 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nope. The founders knew what Natural Law was.


16 posted on 07/17/2015 6:16:48 PM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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To: Auntie Dem

>> But according to Atheists only THEIR religion can be seen in the public square.

The the homosexualists argue against the fact that Natural Selection created Sex (the genetic exchange between male and female) because it increases the fitness of species. The let them argue against the fact that what they’ve selected for worship isn’t Sex - but mutual masturbation.


17 posted on 07/17/2015 6:21:14 PM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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To: Auntie Dem

>>The the homosexualists argue against

LET the homosexualists argue against


18 posted on 07/17/2015 6:32:55 PM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
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To: darkangel82
So that’s all children are. Future taxpayers. Right. /rolleyes

I was on a heavy construction project in Southeast New Mexico a few years ago and the gang were all Navajos from AZ. The day we wrapped up the project we all had a big pizza and beer dinner at the hotel and in talking to one of the operators about life, he questioned why I would have no kids... he said, "But who is going to take care of you when you are old? Who is going to bury you when you die?"

Those questions were pretty revealing about their culture. I'll never forget that conversation.

19 posted on 07/25/2015 9:07:58 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: rjsimmon

The USSR.


20 posted on 07/25/2015 9:09:41 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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