Can Walker Hit South Carolina's Sweet Spot?

KAUF ^ | July 17, 2015 | Jessica Taylor

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Dumb?

I don’t think so.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Yeh 100,000 people who want to lynch him. There’s 100,000 votes for Hillary. LOL!

[Vigilanteman]

Jesse Helms and Ronald Reagan are the only other political figures whom I can name offhand who mastered the art of being nice and kind to libtards while wrecking their agenda.

It is one h3ll of a great skill which drives them crazier than confronting them head-on. I wish I could master that skill, but I can't, I just want to punch them in the mouth.

[Carry_Okie]

Dumb? I don’t think so.

OK, so merely dishonest or delusional. Which one? I was willing to cut you some slack but you have failed to reply to links you have requested, twice.

We went through this four years ago with your blind adulation for Rick Perry (D1 probably remembers), so I suggest you drop the pom poms and take a couple of steps back OR I can go back and dig that one up too.

I don't have a candidate in this race, but I'm going to call the actions of the declared as I see them. You can try to spam the sidebar all you want, but I'll call you on it when I have the time to bother.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Good for you.

It’s always such a pleasure.

[BeadCounter]

Good for Scott!

[BeadCounter]

Too bad candidates are spoken down (excessively) but Walker is often because of his facing down the Unions. Sheep in wolf’s clothing and all of that.

[DoughtyOne]

I haven’t followed your exchange and want to state up front that I haven’t gone back to read it. I’ll address my thoughts on this from my perspective.

Four years ago I noticed Cincinatus’ Wife support Rick Perry. At the time I thought she was an avid Texas FReeper and simply wanted to support the home grown candidate.

What I noticed, is that when I would bring up issues that I didn’t like about him, I didn’t get much of an acknowledgement. I’ll give an example.

Gardasil. Rick Perry mandated that girls HAD TO get this medication. This was a highly personal choice for young women and their parents. It’s wasn’t the choice of a mindless governor. Quite frankly, it made me angry. There’s no way I could support a man like that.

In this day and age of women’s rights to make their own personal choices, Rick Perry stepped in and made a very big one for them. “Sorry girls, you’re just not smart enough to make this one for yourselves!”

When Perry’s supporters refused to acknowledge this massive problem, it told me I wasn’t dealing with reasoned people. There was an agenda driving Perry’s campaign, not a true sense of a Conservative man we just had to have.

Okay, it was what it was. Skip forward four years and we have another ding-bat willing to lie to us. Folks, when I catch a politician lying to me, I view it as an iceberg incident. It means it’s my take that I’m only seeing 1/10th of full volume of their lies.

Scott Walker lied about his immigration policy. In one interview he said his policy had changed, and then when pushed what would happen to illegals already here, he reiterated his long standing policy that they could stay. His policy hadn’t changed one bit.

He was lying. It’s what prompted my tag-line months ago.

This go-round, it’s not just a Texan supporting a home grown talent. It’s now an operative supporting another man unfit to hold the position he seeks.

If Walker felt that illegals should stay, he should have just said that up front and taken his lumps. When he lied to the nation about it, he disqualified himself.

Once again, we have a person who is hawking a man unfit to be president.

This time I got a bit upset about it, to be honest. I could write Perry off to in-state support, even if flawed, but this time it isn’t that. It’s something else driving the support.

The support was early. It was prolific. And it seemed to me to be GOPe driven. I may be off base on that, but I am entitled to my opinion. That’s my opinion.

Folks support various people here across state lines. I understand that. Some of them seem more professional about it. And while that can be a plus, it can also be a tip-off.

It just seems to me we get folks here backing people who have serious flaws. Once you point those flaws out, folks just ignore it.

What this does more than anything, is destroy my respect for the Republican party.

I’m so sick of being lied to, that lies don’t even matter anymore. I look at a guy like Trump that is very problematic, and am not turned off by him. If I had someone I could trust from the other candidates, I’d dismiss Trump instantly.

Instead I myself at worst seeing just one more liar. If lying is okay, then perhaps a guy who doesn’t always remain constant and is there-by seen as untruthful, becomes a lot more tolerable to me.

At least Trump sees the problems and is willing to address them head on. What else he is willing to do is anyone’s guess.

All I know is that what any of the other candidates will do is the same darned thing. It’s anyone’s guess.

So Cincinatus’ Wife, this has been your and the party’s overall effect on me.

I’m ready to jump ship. I’ve had enough of the smoke and mirrors from this disgusting party and it’s hack (so-called) leaders.

[Carry_Okie]

I was referring to this discussion. Sorry, but it took me a couple of cracks to find it.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Well, that’s quite a post defining me, Perry and Walker.

I posted replies to questions about Perry until my fingers were blue, as there was a group that followed Gov. Perry threads, posting the same accusations over and over, and demanding that I reply again and again.

I support Gov. Walker. He’s a better presidential candidate than Perry and has staying power, so now you attack me, and distort his time in office and drag in Rick Perry (who, by the way, would have this country in a much better place than it is now, that you can take to the bank).

I didn’t realize that I had to be a Texan to support a Texan or a whatever that you have decided I must be to support someone that I see as able, and who has a good chance to keep us from the abyss.

My years of postings here on FR are more than political posts but as most everything has been made political, they certainly are related.

I do not apologize to you for the people I support. I do not make an effort to smear, slam or lie about other posters or candidates that they like, but I darn sure will say something when an opportunist like Trump think he can play everyone like a fiddle.

[DoughtyOne]

Carry_Okie, if I went off in an opposite direction on you, I apologize.

Thank you for that link.

It’s the same old thing IMO. I think we have people here on the forum that can’t grasp what Conservatism is.

I recognize there are good things about Walker. I was very supportive of his actions as governor against the Unions. I realize that lying about immigration stance is only one facet of his beliefs, but it’s important to me. I have to be able to trust the guy.

Lying is a Democrat’s path to success. It is not a Conservative’s path to success.

Thank you for the mention.

I appreciate being able to review.

[DoughtyOne]

Well, that’s quite a post defining me, Perry and Walker.

You know what, I support your reaction to my comments.  You have every right to disagree and post your thoughts on it.  I can only say what my thoughts on what is taking place are.  If folks disagree with me on this, I'm comfortable with it.

I posted replies to questions about Perry until my fingers were blue, as there was a group that followed Gov. Perry threads, posting the same accusations over and over, and demanding that I reply again and again.

Okay, that seems like a reasoned thing to do.  I'm not sure how you explained away his actions on Gardasil.  It disqualfied him for me.  If I had been supporting him up to that point, I'd have apologized and dropped that support right then and there.  

I support Gov. Walker. He’s a better presidential candidate than Perry and has staying power, so now you attack me, and distort his time in office and drag in Rick Perry (who, by the way, would have this country in a much better place than it is now, that you can take to the bank).

I am done voting for Republicans who do things that are Leftist in nature.  If the other Republicans can't understand why, that's their problem, not mine.  One thing I'm thankful for, Perry wasn't given the chance to demand every girl in the United States had to take Gardisil.  Am I glad we have Obama now?  No.  Am I glad no Republican came forward that stated they would toe the Conservative line?  No.  Every moderate Republican president comes along and implements Leftist policy.  We continue to slip further Left every four years.  Look at Congress today.  We have a large majority in the Senate and House.  Are we rolling back Leftist policy?  Are we even trying?  Obama has used four vetos in six years.  Four!!!!  It's a perfect example of why we don't vote in Leftists from the Republican party.  Our Congress is giving Obama every single thing he wants.  They don't stand up to him on ANYTHING!

I didn’t realize that I had to be a Texan to support a Texan or a whatever that you have decided I must be to support someone that I see as able, and who has a good chance to keep us from the abyss.

This characterization of Perry walking us back from the abyss is nonsensical.  If he's dumb enough to single-handedly demand all girls in Texas get Gardasil before they can attend school, why should I trust the man?  As I understand it, the Legislature corrected the error.  That doesn't change my mind about him.  Why should it?  That display of dictatorial power puts him last on my list of people to support.  He wouldn't listen to anyone then.  I'm not listening now.

My years of postings here on FR are more than political posts but as most everything has been made political, they certainly are related.

I do not understand why you would try to get people to follow a man like Perry, clearly a man that was willing to abuse his power.  And once called on it, it didn't seem to bother you at all.  I cannot understand that from my grasp of Conservatism.  

I do not apologize to you for the people I support.

Look, that's up to you.  If you are proud of backing a man that would force this type of medication on young women over their objection, it's not going to reflect poorly on me.

I do not make an effort to smear, slam or lie about other posters or candidates that they like, but I darn sure will say something when an opportunist like Trump think he can play everyone like a fiddle.

Okay, is this meant as an indication that is what I was doing to Perry, or even Walker?  Did I have to smear, slam, or lie about Perry or Walker?  No.  All I had to do is mention their record or lies.  I would think that was powerful, but to others is may not be.

Okay, then you think Trump is an opportunist.  What is that based on?  Is it based on the absolute fact that the Republican party has refused to address our main concerns, rediculed us, and called us terrorists?  What is the Republican party if not opportunistic when they claim to represent our views, and instruct us to remain party loyalists?  A person would have to have their head examined to buy that bilge any longer.

You know, I have to tell  you, it has come to the place when someone isn't associated with the ideals of the Democrat party these days, they stand out.  The Republican party can't say that..  Trump has more credibility with me than Republicans.  Whose fault is that?

We have absolutely begged the Republican party to get it's act together.  Did it?

Has the Republican party addressed the problem of trade, or is it getting ready to sign on to another massive bad trade deal?
Has the Republican party addressed the issue of illegal immigration and getting the border under control?  Did they get it under control under Bush?
Has the Republican party addressed excess spending?  No!  Bush doubled the debt on his watch with a clear majority.
Has the Republican party addressed the dismantling of our miliary?  No, and on it's watch in control of Capital Hill, it has stood buy and watch our military trashed.
Has the Republican party addressed getting people back to work?  No.  In fact they're trying to get another big trade bill in.  How does that help?  It makes it worse!
Has the Republican party stood up to the SCOTUS and fixed the destruction of marriage as it has been understood for thousands of years?  No.
Has the Republican party defunded any of Obama's outlandish executive orders?  No.

And so, when Trump addresses any of this, he is the opportunist?  LOL  

I guess that makes every person on this forum that rails agains the Republican complicity these days, an opportunist.

The Republicans had their chance.  Decades of inaction, they're done for me.  They're done for a lot of others too.

I'm intrigued to know what message the GOPe read from the Tea-leaves in 2000 and 2004, when they could barely beat the likes of Gore and Kerry.  Somewhere along the line, they must have wondered if they hadn't jumped the shark.

Instead of admitting it, they had the temerity to trash Conservatives as terrorists.

How's that working out for them?  Donald Trumps is eating their lunch.  How does it feel to know your party is as irrelevant to people who identify as Republicans, as they have been to the GOPe leadership?

We'll see who is irrelevant now won't we.

As for the GOPe leadership, perhaps we should start referring to them as terrorists.  As losely as they toss that term around these days, it fits them more than it does us.

We're not trying to destroy the nation.  You can no longer say that about them.

[Carry_Okie]

Not a problem D1, I trust the integrity of your perspective, analysis, and energy. From the post I figured you had forgotten that prior exchange and figured that a review would be appreciated considering the current context.

Now, if we could just get people whispering "Ross Perot elected a Clinton" every time Trump shoots off his mouth, I'd start to call it progress.

CO