Do you know what the "Confederate" flag looks like? It looks like this:
I think you are referring to the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, which many people mistakenly name as the "Confederate" flag.
Posted on 07/13/2015 8:05:28 AM PDT by HomerBohn
“According the the FR Lincoln Coven the south never left the union. It was never recognized as a nation.”
Well they are accurate in reflecting Lincoln’s position.
Lincoln chose not to recognize the independence of the southern states in the same way that the Crown refused to acknowledge the colonials declaring their independence 90 years earlier.
So the war he was waging was against people that he considered his fellow American citizens, no matter what they thought about being a new nation. He probably holds the record for death and destruction of Americans since he argued that the Confederacy never existed.
Freeper ought-six addressed this point in an earlier discussion.
In all, thirteen states had Articles of Secession (though only eleven ever actually ratified them, and they became the eleven states of the Confederate States of America). In those eleven Articles of Secession, only four specifically mentioned slavery as a cause (note: just one of many causes): South Carolina; Mississippi; Texas; and Georgia. Virginia’s only mention of it was to effect it expressed solidarity with the slave states that had seceded. The day after Virginia ratified its Articles of Secession (May 23, 1861), Union troops marched into Northern Virginia (May 24, 1861).So, of thirteen Articles of Secession; only four expressly mentioned slavery as a reason. But they ALL cited self-determination as a reason.
You can't get on your moral high horse when the Union had every intention of letting this continue. You can't give them credit for starting a war to "abolish slavery" when they had no intention of doing so until two years after the war had started.
For years I have told people that the war was over tariffs and the freedom of states to succeed and that Lincoln was not for freeing slaves and they look at me as though I have three eyes and horns.
That record stands with jeff davis who instigated and waged war against his fellow Americans.
And that War of Northern Aggression was not started over slavery...albeit, unpopular by most of the states. The war was over money, tariffs. AND most significantly "...3 states, Virginia, New York, and Rhode Island declared in their ordinances of ratification that, being sovereign states, they reserved the right to secede from the Union. Virginia's convention, for example, affirmed that " the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States my be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression." They also asserted this right for the other states, which was unnecessary since it was self-evident to everyone at the time that no state could be forced to join or remain a part of the union...."
The 'south' had a constitutional right to secede.
And Here you are. You keep saying that nobody on your side makes the false claim that the Union fought the war to end slavery, and here you yourself are insinuating this very thing.
You do no bring up "slavery" unless you are insinuating such a claim. It has no bearing on the issue unless you are trying to imply causality. And you are.
Actually, I'm measuring it by the worries and concerns of the Southern states when it comes to what they thought Lincoln would do if he became President.
I'm aware of Lincoln's statements about preserving the Union whether or not he could end slavery.
What doesn't get as much air time is the Southern states insistence that Lincoln not allow slavery in the new states as they were admitted to the Union. No ifs, ands or buts about it. And THAT is why they seceded.
That is simply inarguable.
Fair enough. That also happens to be precisely the reason I support it.
Come back when the drugs you are taking haven’t so completely addled your brain.
What is more tyrannical than slavery?
We can see what it was all about today by just looking at the headlines, :STATES MUST EXCEPT SODOMITE MARRIAGE:
Not in those exact words but which amount to the same thing,
States have lost their rights and so has every one else.
Because Declaring independence was against their established laws. It is completely in accordance with *OUR* established laws. Ever hear of our founding principles as espoused in the Declaration of Independence?
Once we made Independence the bedrock foundation of our own existence, we could not morally condemn it when others sought it. Seeking Independence is legally consistent with our highest laws.
I thought I read this same article, but Chuck Baldwin was the byline.
The Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to border slaves states Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky and Missouri because they were loyal to the Union. Also exempt were certain southern territories that had come under Union control. This was an attempt to gain the loyalty of whites in those territories.
The only areas that it applied to were those states still fighting the Union.
Ditto that!
Do you know what the "Confederate" flag looks like? It looks like this:
I think you are referring to the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, which many people mistakenly name as the "Confederate" flag.
I did not know that. Thanks for informing us.
Actually the Yankees refused to leave Ft Sumpter, there is a right for states to leave the union. Therefore this was the War of Northern Aggression, they wanted to keep and dominate the South. Was slavery evil yes, but that doesn’t exclude the rights of succession for the states. I pray we have a peaceful divorce now rather than a bloody one later.
This actually sounds more like Leonard M Scruggs, “The Un-Civil War: Shattering the Historical Myths”, as the quote from Patrick Cleburne was also noted therein, and was the first time I’d ever read it.
The article’s overtones also bear remarkable similarities to Scruggs.
Just saying....
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