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Why anyone who compares Puerto Rico to Greece is wrong
Washington Post ^ | 07/04/2015 | By Matt O'Brien

Posted on 07/04/2015 6:36:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Its economy has been shrinking for years, its debts have been piling up for even longer, and its government has finally admitted that even brutal tax hikes and spending cuts wouldn't be enough for it to pay back everything it owes.

I'm talking, of course, about Puerto Rico. Its governor, Alejandro García Padilla, admitted to the New York Times on Sunday that the island is going to have restructure its $72 billion in debt that is "not payable." Now, if it sounds like you've been hearing some variation of this story for years now, it's because you have—just about Greece. It also borrowed too much, was forced into self-defeating austerity as a result, and would arguably have been better off using its own currency rather than the one its much bigger neighbors do.

But despite these similarities, there's still a big difference between two. Greece's banks have had to close due to the panic that their euros might get turned into drachmas that wouldn't be worth anywhere near as much, while Puerto Rico's banks are fine since people know their dollars are going to stay dollars. And this, more than anything else, shows us what it takes to create a well-functioning currency union.

Now, we normally don't think of the U.S. as the "dollar zone" like Europe has the euro zone, but that's really what it is. Cities and states that, economically-speaking, are big enough to have their own currencies share a single one instead—and, more importantly, a single monetary policy, too.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; US: New York; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alexistsipras; bankruptcy; debt; districtofcolumbia; europeanunion; france; germany; greece; nato; puertorico; syriza; unitedkingdom; washingtoncompost; washingtonpost

1 posted on 07/04/2015 6:36:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
In other words, all is fine because the US can pay Puerto Rico's debt. What happens when the US cannot pay its own debt?

This is less the rhetorical question than some might think. San Bernadino and Stockton have already declared bankruptcy, yet as far as I know they continue to operate. In short, I'm still waiting for the actual consequences of "going broke" to be manifested . . . anywhere in the government sector.

2 posted on 07/04/2015 6:41:34 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS
with the government's debt restructuring—which won't be easy, since, as a U.S. territory and not a city, it can't go through Chapter 9 bankruptcy—that Puerto Ricans'

I take that to mean that Puerto Rico's territorial gov't debt is not backed up the federal gov't.

That's the good news!

3 posted on 07/04/2015 6:49:39 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SeekAndFind

The difference between Greece and PR is great.

One is a place where the people are lazy, feel too privileged to have to work and are devote marxists. The other the people are devote marxitsts, feel too privileged to have to work and lazy.

I don’t see how anyone can compare the too.


4 posted on 07/04/2015 6:51:57 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: rigelkentaurus

Well, in Puerto Rico they speak Spanish; in Greece they speak Greekish.


5 posted on 07/04/2015 7:08:59 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (Hunga Tonga-Hunga.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Less bone smugglers in PR


6 posted on 07/04/2015 7:16:00 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: LS
Also, in other words, the "good news" is that Puerto Rico's profligacy will be paid for by taxpayers rather than financial speculators.

Whew! And I was so afraid that the speculators would lose in both Greece AND Puerto Rico.

7 posted on 07/04/2015 7:17:25 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: MUDDOG

From all I’ve heard, Puerto Rico is almost a 100% ‘Come Yet’ Territory.


8 posted on 07/04/2015 7:34:00 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Two countries “depending on the kindness of strangers”.Sounds *exactly* the same to me.


9 posted on 07/04/2015 7:35:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Secession;It's The Only Answer)
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To: SeekAndFind

10 posted on 07/04/2015 7:36:21 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, anyone expecting economic or scientific competance from the WaPo is wrong.

Hellooooooo, we are talkin’ “journalists” here.

You know, the ones in college who did not have the stuff to get a real degree.


11 posted on 07/04/2015 7:41:04 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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I wouldn’t doubt it.

What worried me was, that since it’s a territory, Puerto Rico’s gov’t debt might be federal gov’t debt.

But the article indicates it isn’t.

Of course, the RINOQs in Congress might bail them out anyway. Or Obama might find some way to it unconstitutionally.


12 posted on 07/04/2015 7:42:08 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s amazing somebody gets paid to write this 4th grade drivel.


13 posted on 07/04/2015 7:50:09 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: LS

Time was that people would buy a newspaper to get the real, truthful, accurate information on subjects as well as clear, insightful and objective opinions.

That is, to put it as gently as possible, pathologically delusional.

Since we can agree that the best use of the Washington Post is as an Absolute Negative Barometer (i.e. anything they say is the direct opposite of fact), this particular piece indicates:

1) Puerto Rico is not only in the same trouble as Greece, the situation is even more grave (especially for WaPo) because default/failure in PR reflects on not only the US and not “merely the Eurozone”, but most particularly on liberal policies instituted during the terms of FDR right up to the current administration.

2) The dollar, like the US economy, is now a fiction supported only by thieves and liars in government and their accomplices including WaPo and the writer of this piece. Having a few cities here and there go belly-up because of lib policies and associated debt loads can be glossed over for a time at least, but the jolt associated with a Puerto Rican default could not be concealed and could very well bring down the entire house of cards.

3) Finally, and IMHO the worst things about the situation (at least for WaPo), they can’t hide this story anymore, haven’t yet constructed a plausible Conservative villain to blame and have actually had to publish this sorry pack of denial and crass BS.

Our three-year-old grandson would be ashamed to let stuff like this out of his mouth.


14 posted on 07/04/2015 8:38:34 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (God gives us rights; Governments take them away....if we let them.)
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To: LS
In other words, all is fine because the US can pay Puerto Rico's debt. What happens when the US cannot pay its own debt?

We nationalize everything and tell China and the others to go to hell? Wait I know, we already have the answer, we print more money, reduce our defence and open our borders to third worlders giving them more for free than our hard working citizens struggle to earn........................oh wait, barry's had that plan in place for years!

15 posted on 07/04/2015 8:47:10 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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“What happens when the US cannot pay its own debt? “
Our banks then rob its depositors like Greece is currently about to do.


16 posted on 07/04/2015 9:17:36 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Obammy is a lie, a mooselimb and pond scum.)
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To: MUDDOG

Am betting FedGov is on the hook, cause “we took em over” from the poor Spanish.


17 posted on 07/04/2015 1:54:17 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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